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I started a paper website business

1511 pointsby tinyprojectsover 3 years ago

76 comments

georgecmuover 3 years ago
This is really cool. Use of GPT-3 to augment OCR is an amazing (and, retrospectively, obvious) insight and a great immediate use case for these language models.<p>I wish Remarkable took this idea -- they really oversold their OCR capabilities[1]. It works great in their support and promo videos, but I found the actual performance to be absolutely terrible.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.remarkable.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;360002661437-Convert-handwritten-notes-into-text" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.remarkable.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;36000266143...</a>
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iraeover 3 years ago
That is not the first time I see one of your stories and it always brings me a smile to see your new ideas and how implement them.<p>It also amazes me how some countries make it so easy to open a business. Doing so in Brazil would be a legal nightmare. Your projects are super inspiring and I always have a mind to leave my job and start doing the same. I should probably move to the US or Canada first, otherwise it might not be possible for me.
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adfmover 3 years ago
Marshall McLuhan would have appreciated this. Most everyone is familiar with his “The medium is the message” phrase, but if you dig a little deeper, you’ll come to appreciate his fascination with “Technology as extension of the human body.”<p>That brio pen; the light bulb illuminating your workspace; the words you write; they’re all extensions of your body — from transcribing your internal thoughts, through your extremities, through transmission and distribution.<p>If the author is reading this, I hope you’ll consider connecting with a few reputable online stationary retailers to offer a curated collection of reasonably-priced premium notebooks and pens. Additionally, consider expanding your original scope to include tags, which would open up your platform to paper-based automation opportunities.<p>If you’ve made it this far and are just looking for the best cross-platform handwriting recognition, check out the Nebo app. It requires a stylus, but it’s the best I’ve come across and it reads PDFs, too.
_virtuover 3 years ago
Slightly off topic, but I&#x27;m a bit of a paper snob at this point. While Moleskine is not the bottom of the barrel I still find for use with fountain pen inks they&#x27;re not the best. You haven&#x27;t lived until you try out some Tomoe river paper.<p>Check out TarokoShop&#x27;s notebooks: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.etsy.com&#x2F;shop&#x2F;TarokoShop?ref=simple-shop-header-name&amp;listing_id=725110826" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.etsy.com&#x2F;shop&#x2F;TarokoShop?ref=simple-shop-header-...</a>.
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cableshaftover 3 years ago
So I diligently kept a pen and paper journal about my game designs for three years (wrote about 100,000+ words on paper). Switched to digital for a year, wrote 120,000 words just in 2019 (starting every morning sitting at a Starbucks and writing it helped), switched back, then switched back again, doing less and less words each year (for 2021 I&#x27;m at like 15,000 words, so pathetic, it&#x27;s only like 12 entries total, need to get back into it).<p>But for the pen and paper I was manually transcribing it to digital (and still only transcribed about half of it). I didn&#x27;t know OCR had gotten that good (and still suspect my writing isn&#x27;t clean enough for great OCR).<p>But maybe I should give this a try, might be enough to get me back in the habit. Also trying to avoid doing as much typing lately (because of some arthritic-like pain in the fingers on one hand, although it&#x27;s my writing hand :&#x2F;)
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ineedasernameover 3 years ago
I love this. It&#x27;s hilariously written at the same time that it shows building something that is useful into a business without worrying about whether it would scale to Unicorn size.<p>On the downside, the Moleskin IDE the custom one the author had made in China are extremely biased against people with bad handwriting. More attention to accessibility may be required.<p>Seriously though this seems great if you have a bunch of notes and journals that you&#x27;d like to digitize. I have a small journal with my own recipes from over the years, and digitizing it has been in the back of my mind for a while-- if Paper Website can defeat my astoundingly awful handwriting.
asicspover 3 years ago
Discussion about the site mentioned in this article:<p>&quot;Paper Website: Start a tiny website from your notebook&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29174478" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29174478</a> <i>(32 days ago, 271 points, 70 comments)</i>
dash2over 3 years ago
Three above this story on the front page is an article called &quot;The Web Is Fucked&quot;, complaining about how there&#x27;s no character on the web any more, and lamenting the 90s, Geocities etc. etc. I&#x27;d say this story refutes that one.
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mNovakover 3 years ago
All I want is a dead easy way to make a landing page + account + payment options for a tiny prototype SaaS like this (e.g. I supply a few APIs as &#x27;backend&#x27; and the rest just works) -- quite similar to the One Item Store the author made. I can only imagine how many people have had to repeat all the same boring steps for some small proto.
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anonymouse008over 3 years ago
Incredibly cool! This should invite a whole new type of blogger to the internet - well done!<p>Curious - I&#x27;m looking at your other projects as well and the design is quite good. Are you using a firm for design, or do you have any front end frameworks to recommend? For some reason design consistency the way you have it is extremely hard for me.
aerovistaeover 3 years ago
A lot of this seems manageable to me - like I could imagine myself being able to build it - but I have no idea how the author handled the domain names part and hosting all these websites. How did you just &quot;throw together&quot; a registrar and a hosting service? Seems like they built heroku and namecheap as side facets to their &quot;tiny project.&quot; I must be missing something.
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tmjdevover 3 years ago
Ben Stokes is an inspiration to me. I get excited reading any of the TinyProjects posts. It&#x27;s so refreshing to see a solo dev building and shipping so much. Hoping I&#x27;m tracking for that kind of ability as a full stack dev.
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zeckalphaover 3 years ago
I hope View Source shows an image of the paper using source mapping
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abadger9over 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve done some OCR side projects during hackathon weeks over the years (with google tesseract). This is a neat idea, I can only imagine the difficulty with which transcribing the variety of terrible handwriting will cause frustration and an eventual flood of refunds.
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giarcover 3 years ago
A neat idea would be to allow prisoners that don&#x27;t have internet or computer access to publish their own writing in an easy way. Sure, a family member could take the letters and published themselves, but it might be neat to see the image of the letter from prison as well.
throwawaycitiesover 3 years ago
All his projects are fun…one of his prior projects (mentioned in the article) is Mailoji.<p>I registered a few and messaged him suggesting it would be cool if I could transfer the Mailoji email addresses with a code so I could hide them in NFTs only the owner could see…I think by the very next day he added the transfer code feature (and didn’t fail to give it the attention of his own style complete with an emoji gift box).
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esjeonover 3 years ago
This idea carries some decent vibes. Pretty cool, seriously.<p>But I think I can&#x27;t use this service:<p>(1) It requires &quot;editing&quot; for web publication, and I know I&#x27;m too lazy to keep up with that.<p>(2) I find myself mostly <i>scribble</i> with pencil and paper, and <i>write</i> on computer. This is partially because my handwriting is in another dimension in terms of recognizability.<p>(3) I sweat a lot, and that ruins paper notebooks pretty quickly, normally within 2~3 months of daily use. (So I use legal pads.)<p>So, personally, I&#x27;ve always thought about the reverse: write pages with computer, and make a book out of it for archival, like, yearly.<p>Still, I&#x27;m yet to carry out this idea, because:<p>(1) I&#x27;m unsatisfied with currently available text-based document formats - either too limited (markdown), too biased (ReST), or too verbose(HTML&#x2F;XML). I&#x27;m hoping to build something like Notion(block-driven) out of plain-text document format.<p>(2) I fiercely hate proprietary note-taking services and apps. I&#x27;ve already had enough headaches: pages lost, broken import&#x2F;export features, backup restoration failures, etc. Never gonna spend a single penny on them.
thinkskiover 3 years ago
Feature idea: bundle a webring, so when viewing one paper website can get connected to others.
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SCUSKUover 3 years ago
Hey Ben, just wanted to say great post! A lot of these comments are fairly negative, and I imagine they can weigh on your psyche. I just wanted to say I am thoroughly impressed with your execution on the project as well as your ability to market your product. Really impressive stuff, big fan :)
thepete2over 3 years ago
Out of curiosity: Is the first OCR example really the best you can find? Is there no open source solution that outputs good results for handwritten notes?
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arbugeover 3 years ago
It&#x27;s a wonderful project. There&#x27;s something romantic about it, for sure.<p>And if I could plug my own project, you could also do it by just sending emails: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;publicemails.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;publicemails.com</a>.
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didipover 3 years ago
When Pg told people to build a business that doesn’t scale, he meant this.
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peterkellyover 3 years ago
Every time someone adds a new package to npm, they should be forced to write it out by hand like this.
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ushakovover 3 years ago
where is your business based and have you registered an LLC?<p>do you make a separate LLC for each project?<p>how much did it cost to launch the business and what does is cost to keep running (lawyers&#x2F;paperwork&#x2F;admin)?<p>i&#x27;m scared of starting my own tiny projects, because of all the bureaucracy involved to even get started
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johnnyoover 3 years ago
How do you add things like emojis and inline images?<p>I don’t see anything in the text that maps to either in the output?
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094459over 3 years ago
I am so happy about this site as a few months ago I had a similar idea after speaking to some relatives who wanted badly to blog but was just terrified of the tech. After chatting for a while afternoon in between copious amounts of tea and cake, we came upon a design that involved pen&#x2F;paper or a typewritten page, and an app that would convert this into a blog post. I hope this does really well and will be sharing this with that group.
twobitshifterover 3 years ago
It would be great to see Gpt-3 taken further than this so there’s less need to mess with the layout afterwards. Maybe you describe a sketch and Gpt-3 draws you their best bike riding avocado? Or you add something that says “photos from todays trip” and it spins up the album roll. This would detract from the simplicity and may not make the product any more successful- but it would be very cool.
TwelveNightsover 3 years ago
I like using paper to journal about my day or write about random thoughts I might have that I&#x27;d like to flesh out further through writing. A few inconveniences of writing it though is that you might want to selectively share some stuff from time-to-time, lack of ability to add media (though a portable printer kinda solves this problem), and having a limit of space, relying on indexing journals when they fill up. A lot of the caveats are solved by privately blogging, though I do miss writing instead of typing everything.<p>Something like this is almost a sweet spot of keeping the paper version as a &quot;draft copy&quot; while being able to enrich a digital version of your journal. As someone in the thread mentioned, being able to have private pages would likely encourage people to try it out for their journalling purposes. Otherwise, the project looks amazing!
dirtybirdnjover 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t know if I want to use it, but I love this idea. The post promoting it was fantastic and the &quot;you&#x27;ve been on a paper website the whole&quot; time thing at the end was great. Serious inspiration food, thank you for posting.
helipadover 3 years ago
Fun idea. I have a memory a website from years ago that was photos of writing on a whiteboard or fridge. I&#x27;m certain it wasn&#x27;t accessible nor SEO-friendly though it was inadvertently mobile friendly.
jpswadeover 3 years ago
This is amazingly inspiring. Not only is it a whole end to end brand and product but it solves a problem that keeps coming up in this community, about making the web fun again.
malikerover 3 years ago
Reminds me a little of jeffbridges.com&#x2F;latest. Dude hand letters and draws his entire website. Might be cool to have an option to keep the original writing without the OCR?
FunHearing3443over 3 years ago
Trying the free trial - this is awesome! And it actually read my truly awful handwriting quite well. The website design and the technology is inspiring. Thank you!
swlkrover 3 years ago
This is really cool. The idea to separate the writing part from the computer entirely (not just the internet) is genius. Also, GPT3 helps out a bit there too.
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rexreedover 3 years ago
How does this GPT-3 based correction system work on unique names (last names) or on numbers or on things that can&#x27;t be learned from an Internet corpus?
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twobitshifterover 3 years ago
This is a great idea and I’d love a future with an explosion of paper websites. However, I’m saddened that after all the attention and clicks the annual revenue is only $3600. It really shows the difficulty of getting someone to pay for your service. I wonder if an alternate revenue model would have been more successful?
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codebookover 3 years ago
I like write on paper. I have written journals for 14 years, which now fill one section of my bookshelves.<p>This year I switched from fountain pens and clairfontaine notbook to E-ink tablet, Supernote A5x.<p>the main purpose is to keep the record in digital formats, And so far I am satisfied. The OCR sucks, though. I hope Supernote may adopt the GPT-3.
zepearlover 3 years ago
Excellent idea&#x2F;project and result, and interesting&amp;funny to read. And I loved your second-last sentence :D
tdehaeneover 3 years ago
Supernice! We actually did something similar using a more explicit seq2seq model, using ByT5: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.ml6.eu&#x2F;ocr-correction-with-byt5-5994d1217c07" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.ml6.eu&#x2F;ocr-correction-with-byt5-5994d1217c07</a>
bee_riderover 3 years ago
It would be cool if this could spit out research papers.<p>Computers are useful tools but they can be quite attention-destroying.
martneumannover 3 years ago
I could see a good use case for those planning&#x2F;kanban&#x2F;mind mapping meetings where you plaster a whiteboard with notes and drawings. Scanning or photographing that isn&#x27;t so nice. Formatting it into a pleasant, readable wesbite would be pretty cool.
FalconSenseiover 3 years ago
My main impediment for using anything like that is that my handwriting is incomprehensible to anyone except me. Like, my wife takes some time to figure out what it&#x27;s written there, and sometimes - after long enough time passes - even myself
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hyperpallium2over 3 years ago
Reminds me of David Rees&#x27; <i>Artisanal Pencil Sharpening</i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KabOfnbS4TQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KabOfnbS4TQ</a> Hipster co-marketing opportunity?
nephanthover 3 years ago
Fron an engineer&#x27;s point of view, it&#x27;s impressive how technically simple this is (author is basically assembling preexisting common building blocks) Yet how great the added value is: it opens a whole new way of blogging
phantom_oracleover 3 years ago
I like this idea for the very simple fact that I now know its plausible to write blog content with a pen and paper and then some GPT-3 AI will scan those words and make it into digital text for me.<p>Sparing my hands from using a keyboard!<p>Brilliant idea!
ricardobayesover 3 years ago
I love this, for the simple fact it&#x27;s one step closer for me to be a programmer without needing to sit at a computer or even use one. It&#x27;s very far fetched right now, but I would love that.
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gkfasdfasdfover 3 years ago
How about a notebook that scans for you? I.e. one side is a notepad, other side has a tiny camera on rails, close the notebook and it automatically scans and uploads the written page.
rackjackover 3 years ago
How does it handle images?
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TurkishPoptartover 3 years ago
How do the domains work for this? Are they automatically created?
mikabozuover 3 years ago
I really like the gpt-3 idea. I have a notebook full of short story ideas that I&#x27;ve been too lazy too transcribe, but now I have a way to get things onto my computer!
einpoklumover 3 years ago
&gt; My girlfriend watched me, puzzled. After convincing her that I hadn&#x27;t gone crazy<p>Now _there_s a startup idea for you! How did you manage to do that? Much more interesting story :-P
fourtreesover 3 years ago
Aw man, <i>almost</i> did this myself a few months ago when I was down with COVID. You make me reall want to revisit the idea! Grats on your success.
rambambramover 3 years ago
Big smile on my face, fun read and nice video.
strzibnyover 3 years ago
Love it, best of the tiny projects so far;)
JamesAdirover 3 years ago
Great work! Would love to hear more about the technologies&#x2F;languages used in this site.
xwdvover 3 years ago
Wow, the ending of this blog post felt like an incredible twist in a movie was just revealed.
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ushakovover 3 years ago
i love that it doesn&#x27;t scale!
kenjackzover 3 years ago
Isn&#x27;t this one have already endorsed their project here in HN a while ago?
syntaxingover 3 years ago
Pardon my ignorance, how do you deploy a GPT-3 model cheaply?
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bicxover 3 years ago
This is the kind of project that keeps me inspired. Well done!
FarmOfFriendsover 3 years ago
whats the input to gpt-3? is it only the text outputted from the handwriting recognition?<p>im just wondering if GPT-3 can be used as a spell check for speech to text use cases
OliCover 3 years ago
What a great idea. We need more of this sort of thing.
throwaway47292over 3 years ago
next step, self hosted paper website on a pi zero :) send them the notebook and the pizero, make dyndns ipv6 only thing and let people selfhost<p>nice project!
allie1over 3 years ago
There’s a “dunder mifflin” joke somewhere in here
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mh-over 3 years ago
This was a fun read. Love the twist at the end.
enryuover 3 years ago
Best article I read in a long time, kudos
Graffurover 3 years ago
Why isn&#x27;t this marked as a Show HN?<p>Also this seems like a lot of effort for 4k a year. Of course, hopefully you get some more subscribers to make it worth while.
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n9comover 3 years ago
How are you handling international tax?
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_nickwhiteover 3 years ago
I love the ending. Seriously, if you&#x27;re a TLDR; person and just here for the comments, go read the article (it&#x27;s short) and come back.
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kragenover 3 years ago
I wonder what value you could add to this with a notebook printed with digitally referenced paper? By printing an unobtrusive sort of barcode on each page, you could determine which part of which page of which notebook each scanned pixel came from, and what lighting conditions it was photographed under. What could you do with that?<p>Well, the simplest and most greyface application is forms; you can define particular areas of each page as being particular form fields. If you&#x27;re blogging, you might have a field for a &quot;slug&quot; that appears in the URL, for example, or a field for tags, or checkboxes for some tags (plus a special page to declare the meanings of the checkboxes). Or, if you&#x27;re tracking expenses, you could have a checkbox for each expense category and columns for the date and the amount. For recipes, you might have a section for listing ingredients, with a column for unit of measure, a column for quantity, and a column for the ingredient name. Etc.<p>For me, the special feature of paper notebooks that cellphones and other computers suck at is drawing. If I want to draw a diagram or illustration, it just works much better on paper: my pencil point occludes much less drawing area than my finger does, there&#x27;s no tracking error where the ink appears 2 mm to the side of the point, it has much lower latency, and I can draw finer lines. But scanning those drawings into a computer is a pain, because I have to illuminate them evenly and hold them flat while I photograph them, which still probably involves some perspective distortion. Barcodes on the paper, together with reference lines and reference color swatches, could solve that problem, as well as providing information about which parts of the paper are occluded, if any.<p>For a few special applications like numismatics and entomology, the paper could provide a precise physical measurement reference for specimens.<p>Combining drawing with filling out forms, you can make a font from your handwriting; this is enormously easier if you can correct the various distortions. In <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;canonical.org&#x2F;~kragen&#x2F;oilpencil&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;canonical.org&#x2F;~kragen&#x2F;oilpencil&#x2F;</a> I spent about 24 hours fiddling with various graphics programs, but there was a website I found somewhere where you can print out a form, draw the font on it, upload the scan, and download your TrueType font. This kind of thing might help with training OCR, too, especially if you don&#x27;t have access to GPT-3. (Or if OpenAI decides to peremptorily destroy everything you&#x27;ve built because one of your users uses your service to write about their dead fiancee: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;towardsdatascience.com&#x2F;openai-opens-gpt-3-for-everyone-fb7fed309f6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;towardsdatascience.com&#x2F;openai-opens-gpt-3-for-everyo...</a>)<p>Other ways to combine drawing and filling out forms include sketching orthographic projections to build 3-D models; coloring a coloring book; drawing maps for Minetest and similar grid-cell games (especially 2-D ones); drawing heightfields; and sketching different keyframes of an animation to automatically morph between. You could even draw a 2-D continuum of keyframes, thus providing an animation character that&#x27;s continuously variable along two different axes; you might put time on the theta axis and some sort of emotion along the radius axis.<p>(You can also apply these ideas with drawings that are input via other media, such as touchscreens, Wacom tablets, and mice, not only scanning paper. When you&#x27;re scanning paper it&#x27;s hard to get feedback as you&#x27;re drawing, although you could maybe glance at your cellphone screen periodically, or use a projector like DynamicLand, or have a continuously updated monitor using a webcam feed. It could even use the occlusion information from the barcode to patch in remembered images wherever your hands were occluding the paper.)<p>What should the barcodes look like?<p>In 02001 Anoto announced their &quot;Digital Paper&quot; approach: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2001&#x2F;04&#x2F;anoto&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2001&#x2F;04&#x2F;anoto&#x2F;</a>. As explained in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Digital_paper" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Digital_paper</a> this uses an unobtrusive 2-D barcode scanned by a camera in a &quot;digital pen&quot; (later called the &quot;Fly Pen&quot;, 02005) to locate the pen in an enormous global &quot;virtual desktop&quot;; I think the NeoLAB &quot;Neo smartpen&quot; works the same way. This was all before cameraphones went mainstream and high resolution. They got 300 patents but fortunately everything they filed in 02001 expires this year. Anoto&#x27;s barcodes use a grid of slightly displaced grid dots.<p>The Fly Pen provided a sort of graphical user interface on the paper, using audio for output. It was sort of aimed at kids doing schoolwork and playing games. It failed in 02009. The founder started a new company called Livescribe focusing on notetaking; the Livescribe smartpen allows you to spatially organize and annotate a continuous audio recording. It has been more commercially successful: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Livescribe" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Livescribe</a><p>Tiny unobtrusive dots might not reproduce reliably on a cellphone camera, though having been published in WIRED in 02001 means the technique is in the public domain (or will be next year). A better idea might be to use thin horizontal and vertical grid lines whose thickness varies slightly, perhaps in a pastel subtractive primary like cyan, magenta, or yellow; then you can optionally remove them in software after scanning. Scanning a whole page at a time, instead of a tiny area around a pen point like the &quot;digital pens&quot; described above, gives you a great deal more space for redundant page ID data in the barcode; probably 48 bits or so is sufficient.
everydaybroover 3 years ago
This is amazing!
Gtex555over 3 years ago
Whitelisting this website on my Adblock cause you opened with a TL:DR.
nathanfigover 3 years ago
Inspiring
radoover 3 years ago
Awesome.
Philip-J-Fryover 3 years ago
It feels less like a paper website business and more just like a traditional website builder except with some OCR to turn notebook pages into web pages.<p>Like, you&#x27;ve still got to edit the page to add links, images, colours, etc. In fact, that seems like the most complicated part.<p>It&#x27;s a fun gimmick and a nice selling point. But someone will be able to use this idea for Wordpress&#x2F;Wix&#x2F;Squarespace plugin. Would be surprised if they didn&#x27;t produce their own feature to do the same thing eventually.<p>It&#x27;d be way cooler if you could draw links on the page and it would figure that out. Or draw a box with some links in it and generate a header. Draw a box for a place holder image and generate that. The next iteration would obviously be using paper to design the actual site and then using CV to generate the markup&#x2F;styling.
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aaroninsfover 3 years ago
This is so much less interesting than I was hoping based on the title and premise.<p>Oh well.