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No evidence that parachutes prevent injuries when jumping out of planes (2003)

78 pointsby lord_sudoover 3 years ago

9 comments

hannobover 3 years ago
This may sound like fun, but there&#x27;s some evidence that the parachute analogy has been massively overused: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;29343497&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;29343497&#x2F;</a><p>Like the idea here is that there are some interventions that are so obvious that you don&#x27;t need rigorous evidence to show they work. However as it turns out people use that analogy to justify interventions that did later turn out to not work.
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cblconfederateover 3 years ago
This &quot;review&quot; is meant to highlight the absurdity of needing randomized control studies for things that are observationally obvious.<p>There is however a follow up RCT study that used actual jumpers to prove that parachutes do help <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bmj.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;363&#x2F;bmj.k5094" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bmj.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;363&#x2F;bmj.k5094</a>
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SethTroover 3 years ago
They did a follow up randomized experiment where people jumped out of planes (at 2ft) with and without parachutes.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;healthjournalism.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;breakthrough-research-reveals-parachutes-dont-prevent-death-when-jumping-from-a-plane&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;healthjournalism.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;breakthrough-resea...</a>
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amaticover 3 years ago
Related SSC post: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;astralcodexten.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;the-phrase-no-evidence-is-a-red-flag" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;astralcodexten.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;the-phrase-no-evidence...</a><p>The Phrase &quot;No Evidence&quot; Is A Red Flag For Bad Science Communication
praptakover 3 years ago
Article: &quot;Data on parachutes found not to be conclusive&quot;<p>Serious media: &quot;Serious doubts on parachutes&quot;<p>Tabloid portals: &quot;Click to see the shocking truth on parachutes!&quot;<p>Social media: &quot;Parachute industry conspiracy! No-parachute jumping party at 11!&quot;
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dkmnover 3 years ago
^this<p>Hilarious.<p>One of the things that had most annoyed me in medicine since 1995,a slavish dedication to what I&#x27;ve come to call &quot;evidence based nihilism&quot;. And a lot of the people who are most rigid do not treat patients but get promoted out of useful work.<p>The space of actual practice is far more complex and some applied science is actually called for.<p>What&#x27;s worse, this kind of sanctimonious stringency (large industry&#x2F;govt funded placebo DB RCT etc) is selectively applied to only certain practices, never to received wisdom or pet projects.
ukjover 3 years ago
The experiment design is ready and waiting! The participants are all lined up.<p>Just have to bribe the ethics board!
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arketypover 3 years ago
Masks work but so does the (non-)impression of a shielded face. Those aspects are luxuries maybe, but at some point, even granted the utilitarian outlook, it weights in on the Well-being calculus too. I feel sad for kids especially.
mikequinlanover 3 years ago
Published 18 December 2003
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