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The rise and fall of rationality in language

124 pointsby olifanteover 3 years ago

10 comments

canjobearover 3 years ago
Google Books is not a reliable sample of language over time due to shifts in genre representation that are correlated with all kinds of things like university library policies, interactions of OCR with typesetting practices, etc.<p>Also note this is a “contributed by” paper which means it didn’t go through the usual PNAS review process. (Presumably the authors didn’t think it would make it through.)
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thyrsusover 3 years ago
It&#x27;s good to see principle component analysis used to select only two components. Configure the algorithm to give you all statistically significant components and it can come back with 30 or 40 components, which fit the data exquisitely but which are as interpretable as a tarot deck and almost as meaningless.
naaskingover 3 years ago
&gt; Perhaps more importantly, there could be a connection to tensions arising from neoliberal policies which were defended on rational arguments, while the economic fruits were reaped by an increasingly small fraction of societies<p>The decline of collectivism and the rise of individualism following the near total destruction of unions and the labour movement? Sound like a pretty significant contributor to me.
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kelseyfrogover 3 years ago
&gt; What ends up in the university libraries used for the Google n-gram data varies with trends in Google’s book-inclusion policy, editorial practices, library policies, and popularity of genres. As none of those effects can be excluded it is important that we find the same trends for word use in the New York Times.<p>The interesting line of thought here is that NYT articles have fairly clear authorship (and to a lesser degree editorship). Do individual authors follow a similar trend (implying that people are changing) or do authors stay the same (implying that the NYT composition is changing)? In short, how much is personal change, and how much is churn?
earthsciencemanover 3 years ago
PNAS: Read It, or Not?<p>The reason people are down on PNAS is the way that members of the National Academy can, if they choose, sort of jam things into the journal through a side entrance. Here are all the details. The unusual thing about the journal is the existence of &quot;Track I&quot;. Basically, a member of the NAS can publish up to four of their own papers per year. Each of these have to be submitted with the comments of two qualified referees, but the author gets to pick them. So a reasonable member should be able to get any sort of interesting or at least non-insane paper in there, by judicious choice of colleagues for review.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;blog-post&#x2F;pnas-read-not" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;blog-post&#x2F;pnas-read-not</a>
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wyagerover 3 years ago
These observations are also consistent with the collapse of scientism (I.e. appeal to scientific credibility by making irrational arguments with scientific-sounding words) as a rhetorical technique. The reduction of pseudo-rational terminology might actually indicate an increase in net rational thought.
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buzzin__over 3 years ago
How well do the charts match the point at which bottom 50% of population rationality-wise started mass posting on the internet?
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scrubsover 3 years ago
Great HN post. Thank you for OP for supplying the link.<p>Through my various social engagements, I&#x27;ve spent time in many political discussions. Trump, politics, race, and anti-vaccination are recurring themes. Some observations:<p>* Those on the left tend to insert race into situations in which it does not naturally arise as I see it. Here focus is nominally on inclusion&#x2F;significance of minorities. It periodically comes with a tone of judgement something like getting a visit from an evangelical at your door. Listen to NPR: at least around north east cities it&#x27;s replete and centered on identity politics.<p>* Those on the right tend to insert race into situations in which it does not naturally arise as I see it. Sometime emphasis here comes as self-righteous anger, feeling excluded, and kind of self-imposed victimization of thought or culture putatively at the hand know-it-all-liberals.<p>* Older guys on the right side who are pro-Trump, anti-vax tend be the angry individuals spending time recollecting the good-ol-days when guys were hardcore men. I sometimes probe these older guys with questions. What I tend to get is a lot o whining, frustration but little in the way of answers. That&#x27;s a shame: us older guys are supposed to have some answers standing on the shoulders of our own experience.<p>My view then is the emotionalism, complaining, putative self-righteous anger, and whining is a layer on top of a more basic problem which is victimization. And that sits on an even deeper layer of lack of competence broadly speaking on what to do about it.<p>Whether it&#x27;s &quot;stop the steal&quot;, deep state, MSM (mainstream media) there&#x27;s a running sense of we&#x27;re victums. Look at headlines. You&#x27;ll see plenty of &quot;The real truth behind...&quot; (i.e. you&#x27;ve been lied to elsewhere), &quot;The dirty little secret at...&quot; (i.e. people have omitted information we&#x27;re strong enough to tell you).<p>I yet remain convinced that the majority of Americans (of which I am one) know full-well the solutions are at the center. I also feel like almost all Americans are sick-and-tired of the 24-7 soap opera from the talking heads on TV, and headless voices on AM&#x2F;FM.
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unchockedover 3 years ago
I hope to outlive this age of spectacle.
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endermover 3 years ago
In my opinion, objective truth does not exist. “Fact-free argumentation&quot; is good and desirable.
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