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Inclusive IT Language Guide [pdf]

15 pointsby nedumaover 3 years ago

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WaffleIronMakerover 3 years ago
This raises some valid points, like the validity of the singular they.<p>However, I think it is a bit to aggressive in listing unacceptable terms. I understand &quot;off the reservation&quot; because that still has a direct connection to racist origin. There is a defensible argument that it is referring directly to many atrocities that the United States government committed when moving Native Americans to reservations. Fine.<p>However, whitelist? That&#x27;s just based off of a color. There&#x27;s nothing directly racist about it. I&#x27;m sure some people feel uncomfortable when the word is used, but there&#x27;s no logical reason why it should be a problem.<p>Just because one person is uncomfortable about a phrase doesn&#x27;t mean the phrase is bad. I once had to leave the room when watching a movie because it had a scene that reminded me very strongly of an traumatic experience I had. However, there is no objective problem with the movie. I am not the main character of the universe, and it is not anyone else&#x27;s fault that other things remind me of the trauma I experienced.<p>I don&#x27;t believe people should be put in environments that are actively triggering, but &quot;native feature&quot;? There is no logical reason to be triggered by that.<p>This type of rhetoric is problematic because it vilifies people unnecessarily. Killing a process is fine, because processes aren&#x27;t people. I&#x27;m not being violent. If you see the word &quot;kill&quot; and get distracted, that&#x27;s a problem with your reading comprehension.<p>All in all, I agree that documentation should not be triggering or have terrible connotations. However, many of the words here are not triggering, and they do not have terrible connotations.
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ukomsover 3 years ago
I understand (to some degree) if someone is willing to enforce things you shouldn&#x27;t say. Although right to free speech is&#x2F;should be universal, but it doesn&#x27;t mean free of consequences of what has been spoken. But I strongly oppose situation and any attempts to enforce what I should say. No. No pasarán. Ni wuja. Claiming power over what one should or ought to be saying is claiming power over what one should or is allowed to think. &quot;1984&quot; of Orwell&#x27;s says hi.
FooBarBizBazzover 3 years ago
Say you come from this worldview, in which word choice is stealthy psychological aggression.<p>Then, when you could have said<p>&quot;point out&quot;<p>&quot;highlight&quot;, or<p>&quot;bring attention to&quot;<p>you instead choose to say<p>&quot;call out&quot;<p>which is the same phrase used to mean &quot;publicly denounce (typically on Twitter)&quot;.<p>Do you know what you&#x27;re doing?<p>Are you <i>trying</i> to make your coworkers remember that they can be stoned by the crowd at any moment? To imply that you can cause that to happen?<p>In a world where wordgames become very serious surprisingly quickly, I wonder.
snowflake556over 3 years ago
This is just ridiculous I am leaving California I cannot take working for companies here. My workplace is this bad or worse.
xupybdover 3 years ago
Really house keeping tasks is offensive to a group?<p>I can&#x27;t think of any race, creed, gender, sexuality or other group that is excluded from having to clean their house?
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DarylZeroover 3 years ago
Inclusive language for use by exclusive institutions. All talk and no action.
brnttstover 3 years ago
I read the comments before reading the document and completely expected a 50 page manifesto on the origin of the English language. It appears more like a service organization trying its best to not put it’s frontline workers in what is likely already an uncomfortable position - apply the standard, albeit unfair, criticisms of “dealing with IT.” The brevity the lists makes me think that these are possibly specific instances they’ve encountered.
da39a3eeover 3 years ago
Lest you thought this was s joke, looks like Google’s version of this document is just as bad: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developers.google.com&#x2F;style&#x2F;inclusive-documentation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developers.google.com&#x2F;style&#x2F;inclusive-documentation</a><p>I’ll mostly use these documents to remind me to use these terms more. What the fuck is wrong with “native”, “housekeeping”, “sanity”? The authors of this surely must be joking.
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nix23over 3 years ago
Happy that &quot;Human Resources&quot; is still accepted (the ~only english expression i actually find disgusting) ;)
lazyeyeover 3 years ago
Are these kind of language &quot;guides&quot; limited to English or is it happening in other cultures too?
nix23over 3 years ago
Has that University still a &quot;Master degree&quot; or is it just not ok with Git and DB&#x27;s?
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gorgabalover 3 years ago
I read a lot of criticism on guides like these. And that makes me wonder, am I the only one that thinks that the &#x27;inclusive&#x27; language is simply more clearer?<p>* blocklist&#x2F;blacklist, I find blocklist clearer because it does what it says. Same for whitelist<p>* master&#x2F;main, same as above, main describes it&#x27;s function more accurately.<p>Regarding the genger wording, I have memories as a child where I was confused because for some reason, only the boys where adressed. Not thinking it through, I simply assumed that was intentional. And thus, if a teacher said &#x27;boys, lets go that way!&#x27; I would be arguing with the girls since I thought they where not supposed to follow along.<p>Of course, this is not the case for ALL proposed inclusive language. I simply notice that most of the time, the inclusive alternative is a lot clearer.
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robbmorganfover 3 years ago
Does anyone know the etymology of &quot;black box&quot;?
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peakabooover 3 years ago
I had an amazing time laughing at this document :)<p>Best morning ever.
vanusaover 3 years ago
<i>feed two birds with one scone</i><p>Tone deaf doesn&#x27;t begin to describe the people who come up with these not-so-voluntary, thought-crippling &quot;guides&quot;.
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tasogareover 3 years ago
I just got a message from git in my terminal related to &quot;master&quot; branch. Whatever your sexual orientation, gender, race, disabilities FUCK OFF, I&#x27;m gonna stick to proper English instead of Newspeak.<p>The same statement is true for my native language, French, where I&#x27;ll never use the &quot;écriture inclusive&quot; bullshit except to mock it. Luckily the Académie is with me on this one.
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