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Cheese Making

98 pointsby bsilvereagleover 3 years ago

14 comments

ddekover 3 years ago
Making mozzarella was a real &#x27;been there, done that&#x27; kinda thing. It&#x27;s satisfying work, but it consumes so much milk it&#x27;s not really economically viable and the milk I&#x27;m using isn&#x27;t as good for cheesemaking as the better producers. I&#x27;d do more of it, but my office in Liverpool Street (London) is right next to an Eataly that make fresh (made in front of you) buffalo mozzarella at a fair price.<p>(A lot of the talk in pizza making circles is about using very fresh mozzarella, based mainly on &#x27;tradition&#x27;. Nathan Mhyrvold just published a book on pizza that seems to show a counter-argument. I&#x27;m not paying £300 for a cookbook without really knowing it&#x27;s worth it though, so I&#x27;ll wait for the British Library to get it.)<p>I think other fresh cheeses could be worthwhile. A similar process to mozzarella makes queso oaxahaca, which isn&#x27;t easily found here. The big difference is oaxaca is stretched into an extremely long thread, then knotted, then dried.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t want to make hard cheeses at home, the food poisoning risk is way too high for me.
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stephen_gover 3 years ago
Anybody wanting to get into this might be interested in Gavin Webber on YouTube [1]. Makes all sorts of cheeses, I find watching it interesting and I’ve never even made any and not particularly a cheese enthusiast!<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;GavinWebber" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;GavinWebber</a>
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luxurytentover 3 years ago
Cheese making is a hobby I intend to get into in a few years, when I have more time in the evenings (read: kids get older). I&#x27;ve been subscribed to &#x2F;r&#x2F;cheesemaking (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;cheesemaking&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;cheesemaking&#x2F;</a>) for some time now, gathering inspiration, bad ideas, and good ideas!<p>It feels like a great addition to a hobbyist cooks experience and in a similar space as fermentation (patience, temperature controls, accuracy where it counts)
isaacimagineover 3 years ago
I worked as an apprentice cheesemaker, making mostly curds, cheddars, jacks. Ask me anything! (&quot;What&#x27;s Juustoleipa?&quot; might be a fun place to start)
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wortelefantover 3 years ago
There is also an emerging community of vegan cheesemakers, I can recommend to at least trying to produce it that way. When producing vegan cheeaes, I learned that the flavor mostly comes from the cultures involved, and that good cheese does not need to involve animal suffering. I also enjoyed the &#x27;food hacking&#x27; factor and inventiveness of recreating a cheese with different ingredients.<p>I have tried this recipe with a wine cooler mini fridge, it took about a month and was very tasty <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fullofplants.com&#x2F;vegan-blue-cheese&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fullofplants.com&#x2F;vegan-blue-cheese&#x2F;</a>
cheese_goddessover 3 years ago
&gt; The one remaining problem relates to use of pasteurized, homogenized milk (as one would get from the store). I am less familiar with it than the fresh raw goat’s milk I use, but the processing alters the protein structure, and may cause problems establishing a firm curd. Some recipes call for purchasing a solution from a cheese making supply house, and adding “1&#x2F;2 to 1 teaspoons” per gallon (5-10 mL).<p>The &quot;solution&quot; here is calcium chloride (CaCl₂) and the standard concentration is 30% by weight (the article says 0.02%).<p>CaCl₂ is needed to replenish the calcium lost during pasteurisation, and also during refrigeration. Basically any change to the temperature of milk will cause the calcium in the milk to precipitate which means it is less available to the rennet enzymes. I don&#x27;t pretend to understand the chemistry any further than that, but that&#x27;s why we add CaCl₂ to cheesemaking milk.<p>On the other hand, CaCl₂ doesn&#x27;t do anything for homogenisation. Homogenisation basically pushes milk through a very small funnel with great force so that the fat globules in the milk cream burst and become more evenly distributed throughout the milk emulsion (milk is an emulsion!). This is done to consumer milk to avoid having the cream float to the top that, legend has it, consumers find icky. More honestly, the reason that milk is homogenised is to standardise its appearance so that its fat content is not immediately obvious, leaving the producer free to skim off any &quot;excess&quot; fat and standardise fat content to 3.5% on the dot, while the rest of the fat is sold as cream. Skimmed milk is the byproduct of the same marketing incentive.<p>In any case, pasteurised, homogenised and standardised milk can be used in cheesemaking just fine and indeed most commercially produced cheese sold today anywhere is made that way, both for public health reasons and for marketing and regulatory reasons (for example, regulations for PDO cheeses typically specify the minimum fat content of cheese, so cream must often be added or removed to meet them). On the other hand, setting a curd gets progressively more difficult the more such processing is applied to milk.<p>Pasteurisation is really the mildest treatment one can apply and it doesn&#x27;t really hurt if the milk is fresh and good quality milk to begin with. Pasteurisation temperatures and durations are expressly tuned to avoid damaging the milk proteins (contrary to what the article says) while ensuring the total destruction of all vegetative forms of bacteria known to cause disease (the standard of 63°C for 30&#x27; is calculated to exterminate 100% of individuals of Coxiella burnetii with 97% accuracy, C. burnettii being the most heat-tolerant disease-causing bacterium we generally expect to find in raw milk). In my experience, home-pasteurised ewe&#x27;s milk doesn&#x27;t even need CaCl₂ to set the firmest of curds, rather the opposite, the problem is to keep the curd from coagulating too quickly (at least that is the case with sheep-derived rennet; bovine rennet tends to act less immediately on ewe&#x27;s milk for some reason I don&#x27;t understand. It&#x27;s the same enzyme?). That&#x27;s because of the highest amount of protein in ewe&#x27;s milk that makes for a firmer curd and greater yields. Cow&#x27;s and goat&#x27;s milk are slightly thinner and they need more care to get all the variables right.<p>Homogenisation on the other hand, makes it much harder to set a firm curd. In my experience, making cheese at home with homogenised (cow&#x27;s) milk from the supermarket, I always get a thinner curd and have a lower yield than normal, so I avoid it. There&#x27;s nothing I know of that can be done to improve homogenised milk. How the large factories do it, I know not, but for anyone who doesn&#x27;t have a factory the best is to stay away from homogenised milk if you&#x27;re making your cheese at home.<p>Also: don&#x27;t make cheese with raw milk. You&#x27;ll regret it. Trust me.
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felipellrochaover 3 years ago
I love cheese making (made a few goudas by now), and cannot recommend it enough. It’s basically edible chemistry. Fun, challenging, and delicious.
ryanneviusover 3 years ago
Anybody have source recommendations for cheese cultures in Europe? I made cheese for years in North America, but have found it difficult to source ingredients in EU. Perhaps I&#x27;m not looking in the right places.
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derbOacover 3 years ago
I loved this book:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hardiegrant.com&#x2F;au&#x2F;publishing&#x2F;bookfinder&#x2F;book&#x2F;kitchen-creamery-by-louella-hill&#x2F;9781452111629" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hardiegrant.com&#x2F;au&#x2F;publishing&#x2F;bookfinder&#x2F;book&#x2F;ki...</a><p>I&#x27;ve only made a couple recipes from it, but it really helped me understand cheese and fermented dairy in general.
teetertaterover 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve tried cheese-making and can highly recommend!<p>The easiest one to start with is ricotta, and then Mysost[1] with the leftover whey<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.culturesforhealth.com&#x2F;learn&#x2F;recipe&#x2F;cheese-recipes&#x2F;mysost-cheese&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.culturesforhealth.com&#x2F;learn&#x2F;recipe&#x2F;cheese-recipe...</a>
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brodouevencodeover 3 years ago
Did I see this correctly? The author has posts that date back to 1978 - has he been keeping a log that long?
zucker42over 3 years ago
Blessed are the cheese makers.
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druadhover 3 years ago
Huge cheese lover, but I honestly didn&#x27;t make it past that low res, unappetizing hero image - made me queasy. Might wanna replace that. Unsplash will prolly have a free cheese stock photo
zucker42over 3 years ago
Blessed are the cheese makers