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YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

363 pointsby evilksandrover 3 years ago

25 comments

evilksandrover 3 years ago
1) At the blocking moment I had only 2 videos (just screen records) on my channel which showed the same problem in 2 different Grammarly products 2) these videos were an illustration for my report <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackerone.com&#x2F;reports&#x2F;1282282" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackerone.com&#x2F;reports&#x2F;1282282</a>, which Grammarly disclosed to the public and does not consider this a problem. 3) these videos were published after Grammarly representatives allowed me to release this information 4) in the description of the video there were links to the HackerOne case for the problem and to my blog <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;evilksandr.medium.com&#x2F;7bdb343c956b" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;evilksandr.medium.com&#x2F;7bdb343c956b</a> with a detailed study of this problem 5) the video was posted for educational purposes only and without malicious intent I believe that my channel was blocked by mistake. Please, anyone who knows somebody from YT&#x2F;G team, tag them in my tweet.
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megumaxover 3 years ago
After Grammarly spent millions of dollars on Google ads, I expect them not to accept valid criticism on Google platforms.<p>But it&#x27;s unfair to block a guy that talked about a real flaw in Grammarly&#x27;s plagiarism checker, at least pretend that you allow free speech and take down that video for a random reason specified in your ToS.
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duiker101over 3 years ago
For those wanting a more honest alternative to Grammarly, LanguageTool[1] is open source and quite good.<p>That said, I am not a power user and my English is just passable, so your mileage may vary.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;languagetool.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;languagetool.org</a>
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maxltvover 3 years ago
A Grammarly team member but posting own thoughts to clarify some things.<p>First, Grammarly has nothing to do with this suspension and does not have any problem with the videos in question, just as mentioned in the official HackerOne response.<p>Second, this is not a hack or even a flaw. It is an attempt to use Grammarly for a NON-INTENDED purpose, that predictably did not work. Grammarly is not meant for anti-plagiarism policy enforcement. Grammarly aims to help users avoid accidental or unintentional plagiarism by highlighting parts that may need to be cited. So it does not attempt to deal with any plagiarism enforcement countermeasures. If someone is deliberately masking plagiarism with these countermeasures, it&#x27;s definitely NOT unintentional or accidental and a whole different issue altogether, so Grammarly does not get involved with this, by design. Bypassing the tool that is designed to HELP YOU avoid getting in trouble with accidental plagiarism is not a hack but more like &quot;bypassing&quot; your wifi by putting your own router in a microwave - defeating the purpose rather than defeating security. So Grammarly does not care about these videos (although I think presenting this as a hack or a flaw is a little unfair).<p>Finally, Youtube&#x27;s automated (I&#x27;m guessing) blocking often does strange things. My account was once blocked for supposedly violating Sony&#x27;s video game copyright. The video in question was me driving a car on a race track, in real life. It got unblocked within a week or two, though.
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itakeover 3 years ago
Youtube does not allow &quot;instructional hacking&quot; videos. This is a TOS &#x2F; community guidelines [0] violation. This ban has nothing to do with their advertiser.<p>[0] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;youtube&#x2F;answer&#x2F;2801964?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;youtube&#x2F;answer&#x2F;2801964?hl=en</a>
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dekoruotasover 3 years ago
Have you lost access to the associated Gmail account too?<p>Thinking I might have too many eggs in one basket.
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autobashover 3 years ago
For anyone interested here is a test you can do on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.grammarly.com&#x2F;plagiarism-checker" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.grammarly.com&#x2F;plagiarism-checker</a><p>Will be detected as plagiarism<p>&gt; But with ahab the question assumed a modified aspect. considering that with two legs man is but a hobbling wight in all times of danger; considering that the pursuit of whales is always under great and extraordinary difficulties; that every individual moment, indeed, then comprises a peril; under these circumstances is it wise for any maimed man to enter a whale-boat in the hunt? As a general thing, the joint-owners of the Pequod must have plainly thought not.<p>Won&#x27;t be detected as plagiarism<p>&gt; But with аhаb thе quеstiоn аssumеd а mоdifiеd аspесt. соnsidеring thаt with twо lеgs mаn is but а hоbbling wight in аll timеs оf dаngеr; соnsidеring thаt thе pursuit оf whаlеs is аlwаys undеr grеаt аnd еxtrаоrdinаry diffiсultiеs; thаt еvеry individuаl mоmеnt, indееd, thеn соmprisеs а pеril; undеr thеsе сirсumstаnсеs is it wisе fоr аny mаimеd mаn tо еntеr а whаlе-bоаt in thе hunt? аs а gеnеrаl thing, thе jоint-оwnеrs оf thе Pеquоd must hаvе plаinly thоught nоt.
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Sosh101over 3 years ago
I wonder how much money Grammarly have spent with youtube.
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waymonover 3 years ago
Why does everyone think youtube owes them something? Yall gotta stop using that service.
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Terry_Rollover 3 years ago
Is your backup or contingency using something like PeerTube?
butzover 3 years ago
Publish those videos on odysee.com then.
kragenover 3 years ago
I got an error message page from Twtter trying to follow the link; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;birdsite.xanny.family&#x2F;evilksandr&#x2F;status&#x2F;1479507618066571268" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;birdsite.xanny.family&#x2F;evilksandr&#x2F;status&#x2F;147950761806...</a> works.
password4321over 3 years ago
This seems to be standard practice, for years?<p>YouTube&#x27;s ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20350306" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20350306</a> (Jul 2019)<p>YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21251609" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21251609</a> (Oct 2019)
starwindover 3 years ago
Meanwhile, the video where Trevor Jacob appears to intentionally crash his plane is still up on Youtube, albeit demonetized
rurbanover 3 years ago
So I got really scared and deleted all my YouTube videos from the green revolution in Teheran. I reposted them there from inside contacts who had no YouTube access. But now it looks like Google is even more dangerous than the Persian secret services.
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happytigerover 3 years ago
I swear to goodness sometimes it seems like the search for the decentralized Internet &#x2F; Web 3.0 tech is being powered primarily by outrage from google and PayPal’s behavior specifically. They are the negative PR royal couple for centralized control gone wrong on the Internet.
bingohbangohover 3 years ago
I think Grammarly is a CIA front, or a front for some foreign intelligence.<p>Founded by three Ukrainians -- none of whom speak English as a first language -- that can read and analyze any text you write and is chock full of security vulnerabilities. Color me skeptical.
smallmouthover 3 years ago
Youtube is not a place to &quot;rock the boat&quot; or question popular orthodoxy.
evilksandrover 3 years ago
I did not even expect that my post here will raise such a storm and collect so many comments and reactions. Thank you all for your support, I hope it helps to reinstate my channel.
lamontcgover 3 years ago
Days since last Kafkaesque account ban by Google&#x2F;Apple&#x2F;Amazon&#x2F;Paypal: 0<p>When are we going to start regulating them?
pshawcaddyover 3 years ago
Post on other platform. You’ll get more votes purely from the fact that you were censored by Google.
ballenfover 3 years ago
I wonder if we&#x27;ll see a backlash against &quot;plagiarism&quot; being considered cheating? Parallel in some ways to using a calculator.
usr1106over 3 years ago
It&#x27;s called surveillance capitalism for a reason. Remember it&#x27;s also totalitarianism, you don&#x27;t have free speech when using free services. (libre vs. free)<p>Edit: Of course lack of free speech is what Trumpists complain about, too. I say the same although I would use free speech for very different content.
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JaimeThompsonover 3 years ago
And yet YouTube has no problem monetizing channels that call the Holocaust a hoax.
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ddtaylorover 3 years ago
Welcome to YouTube support. Please submit your issue and wait for the community to upvote it enough until a real person at a large corporation actually reads it and clicks a button.<p>Thanks for using YouTube support.
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