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Self-replicating radiation-shield for deep-space exploration: Radiotrophic fungi

197 pointsby che_shr_catover 3 years ago

13 comments

YeGoblynQueenneover 3 years ago
This reminds of Cordwainer Smith&#x27;s [1] most famous story, Scanners Live in Vain [2]. In the story, a scientist named Adam Stone has found a way to conquer The Great Pain of Space that affects humans who travel into space. To do so he builds a ship whose walls are teeming with life that shields the human inside it:<p><i>&quot;I have loaded ships with life.&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;Life?&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;Life. I don&#x27;t know what the Great Pain is, but I did find that in the experiments, when I sent out masses of animals or plants, the life in the center of the mass lived longest. I built ships -small ones, of course- and sent them out with rabbits, with monkeys-&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;Those are Beasts?&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;Yes. With small Beasts. And the Beasts came back unhurt. They came back because the walls of the ships were filled with life. I tried many kinds, and finally found a sort of life which lives in the waters. Oysters. Oysterbeds. The outermost oysters died in the great pain. The inner ones lived. The passengers were unhurt.&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;But they were Beasts?&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;Not only Beasts. Myself.&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;You!&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;I came through Space alone. Through what you call the Up-and-Out, alone. Awake and sleeping. I am unhurt. If you do not believe me, ask your brother Scanners. Come and see my ship in the morning. I will be glad to see you then, along with your brother Scanners. I am going to demonstrate before the Chiefs of the Instrumentality.&quot;</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;stream&#x2F;ScannersLiveInVain&#x2F;SmithCordwainer-ScannersLiveInVain.txt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;stream&#x2F;ScannersLiveInVain&#x2F;SmithCordwaine...</a><p>_____________<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cordwainer_Smith" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cordwainer_Smith</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Scanners_Live_in_Vain" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Scanners_Live_in_Vain</a>
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yummypaintover 3 years ago
For the record, here is the correct math for attenuation of high energy photons with a nice explanation from NIST: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;physics.nist.gov&#x2F;PhysRefData&#x2F;XrayMassCoef&#x2F;chap2.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;physics.nist.gov&#x2F;PhysRefData&#x2F;XrayMassCoef&#x2F;chap2.html</a><p>The coefficient in the exponential is 0.0161&#x2F;mm for these data, so a 100 mm thick layer will stop 80% of their measured spectrum. A 200 mm thick layer will stop 96%.<p>The same relationship applies for higher energy gammas as well, but the coefficents will be energy dependent.
MertsAover 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t understand the interest here. It&#x27;s not like fungi are magically more effective than virtually any other mass at absorbing ionizing radiation and subatomic particles. &quot;Self-replicating&quot; is meaningless when it needs to consume water and carbon sources to do so which on their own would probably be denser and more effective per unit volume at shielding. Chemistry has next to nothing to do with radiation shielding let alone biology.
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blamestrossover 3 years ago
Now this is the solarpunk&#x2F;biopunk future I signed up for. Symbiotic radiation shielding fungi for space exploration!
narratorover 3 years ago
A likely way to cut the Gordian Knot of outer space radiation exposure is to prophylactically have everyone take C60. See the study below.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;abs&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S0041008X0900475X" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;abs&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S00410...</a>
kgcover 3 years ago
Where does the additional mass come from when the fungi reproduces in space?
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nynxover 3 years ago
Clearly the end goal for this research is figuring out why the fungi can block radiation and taking advantage of that for better radiation shielding. We’re not going to be flying around in spaceships coated in fungi.
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ianaiover 3 years ago
species: Cladosporium sphaerospermum<p>&quot;&quot;&quot;<p>radiation beneath a ≈ 1.7 mm thick lawn of the dematiaceous radiotrophic fungus was 2.17±0.25% lower as compared to the negative control. In addition, a growth advantage in Space of ~ 21% was observed, substantiating the thesis that the fungus’ radiotropism is extendable to Space radiation.<p>&quot;&quot;&quot;
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AndrewDuckerover 3 years ago
It&#x27;s a fascinating idea.<p>But 2% lower radiation isn&#x27;t going to do nearly enough.
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ape4over 3 years ago
When we meet some aliens they might greet the fungus instead of us
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kangaroozachover 3 years ago
Encapsulate the entire vessel in a membrane of fungi? No windows just fungi-bubble deep-space faring?
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Kyragemover 3 years ago
Astrophage!!!! if only we could it for fuel too.
choegerover 3 years ago
What is it with all the fuzz a out fungi in space lately? Is Discovery so well-liked or is it the other way around?<p>Serious question: How does the fungus release the energy? heat? Could we use them as some kind of biological radiation thermal panels on Mars?
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