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Citrix to be acquired for $16.5B, will be merged with Tibco

103 pointsby blopeurover 3 years ago

22 comments

nikanjover 3 years ago
My developer experience with Citrix last year:<p>1) Contact Citrix support about some missing details in their SDK (Dynamic Virtual Channels were not loading properly on XenDesktop, and the SDK docs just said &quot;Use the Microsoft APIs for registration&quot;)<p>2) Citrix ponders about the issue for a few months. I write a full DVC plugin for them to test things with, because they don&#x27;t seem to have anyone in-house who knows their own tech stack<p>3) Citrix finally declares that dynamic virtual channels are currently broken. They might get fixed in a future release, but they&#x27;re not on the active roadmap.<p>4) Citrix is still releasing frequent updates to the SDK, advertising DVC support. NB this is not just a small typo in the docs, they have a long chapter dedicated to the topic ( Citrix Dynamic Virtual Channel Protocol at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;citrix&#x2F;receiver-for-windows-virtual-channel-sdk&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;docs&#x2F;architecture.md" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;citrix&#x2F;receiver-for-windows-virtual-chann...</a> ). The feature is very thoroughly documented, it&#x27;s just...not actually implemented.<p>I can&#x27;t imagine how many developer hours get wasted yearly with people trying to get virtual channels to work, when in reality they&#x27;re just flat-out not supported.
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duckover 3 years ago
I interviewed at Citrix 20+ years ago for my first SWE job out of college. The first phone interview went well, but on the second one I was surprised to find the interviewer was asking the exact same questions, word for word. After a couple of them I mentioned it, thinking maybe this was a mistake and the interviewer said that wasn&#x27;t the case, and then proceeded to ask me the rest of the same questions. After I told them the answer to the next question before they asked it there was a real long pause on their side and then they asked the remaining questions in a different order. Needless to say I wasn&#x27;t as excited about working there after that, but they never called me back either.
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bmc7505over 3 years ago
Elliott Management strikes again.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lipperalpha.refinitiv.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;breakingviews-elliott-returns-to-haunt-backsliding-citrix&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lipperalpha.refinitiv.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;breakingviews-elli...</a>
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theandrewbaileyover 3 years ago
My only experience with Citrix is their GoToMeeting app&#x2F;service. It&#x27;s probably the most aggravating meeting software I&#x27;ve ever used. From almost everyone else&#x27;s comments here, GoToMeeting seems to be their best piece of software.<p>Edit: formerly? LogMeIn owns it now: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;GoToMeeting" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;GoToMeeting</a>
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ndneighborover 3 years ago
Used to work at Citrix for three years as a Product Manager. I empathize with most everyone&#x27;s experience that they shared- at the tail end of my tenure, the company prioritized the sales teams over the engineering staff and unfortunately it showed within the product.<p>I think when set up properly, Virtual Apps and Desktops is killer for having good access to desktops and at the moment is a good extension of Azure Virtual Desktop. However, it did feel like we were running the product with a skeleton crew. As a result, documentation fell by the wayside along with other matters. I guess complete PE takeover of this sort of company is inevitable.
petemc_over 3 years ago
Worked for a company that Citrix acquired a few years ago. They seemed to have went all in on something called Kepner-Tregoe. I left shortly after my week long training course, which I didn&#x27;t get much out of other than a stay in a nice hotel. As I was leaving they were downsizing and one of their techniques was to match 2 people together and say &quot;We will be comparing your performance against each other for the next 6 weeks, after that, the worst performer will be fired&quot;. Pretty awful.
lunatunaover 3 years ago
So little content in the article about why this was needed. The argument about improving analytics for Citrix products using Tibco products seems extremely weak. I don&#x27;t see much if any opportunities here for any combined improvement at the tech stack level. Where there is any opportunity there is redundancy like gateway functionality.<p>All the best to those working there and trying to figure out what next.
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wayoutthereover 3 years ago
Good for them; Azure Virtual Desktop and Amazon Workspaces are both pretty mature offerings that absolutely blow Citrix out of the water on cost, performance and functionality. It’s one of those rare use cases where autoscaling in the public cloud with some lightweight management tools is an unreasonably effective solution by nearly every available metric.
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conspover 3 years ago
For all those ranting a only partial rant: Citrix, I did use it once kind of without anger at it: to run an unpatched IE8 instance to run an even older unpatched ASP (not .net) application (to run some ancient ERP software from BAAN) which I did get angry at.
shrubbleover 3 years ago
Citrix got started by using OS&#x2F;2 , I remember seeing them in about 1993 at an OS&#x2F;2 convention. Then they later switched to NT.<p>The fully open source xcp-ng Xen based virtualization server is also based off their CitrixServer product.
orloffmover 3 years ago
I worked on Citrix-remoted VDI machines at two previous jobs. The first one was Windows 7 on dedicated hardware with some kind of a custom client on top of Citrix, and the second one was Windows 10 virtual machine (no GPU) and a WYSE terminal as a client.<p>Windows 10 seems to be not remotable at all due to the fact that everything is rendered in 3D space, so the only way to send data to the client is by sending bitmaps. Plus, there is added latency due to the fact that you have to cache a frame or two to optimize compression. This made it impossible to work, those dreaded delays in key presses, oh God. As I heard from a guy at the top, adding a GPU to the server helps a lot. But no corpo would do that en masse. It will for sure cause an exodus from this VDI setups in the nearest future. Maybe apart from the cheapest people in India.<p>I wonder if Citrix has any future at all.
jayskiover 3 years ago
i worked at a place 15 years ago that offered me a nice raise if I became a citrix certified engineer...<p>I studied for 2 months and passed, ive literally never used citrix in my life
tempnow987over 3 years ago
I have fiber with 6ms ping to our windows machines, RDP connection. I&#x27;ve tried a few times to get these VDI setups close to matching what I have now and I can&#x27;t. Either RDP is amazing, naked hardware is amazing, or VDI is a dog. I&#x27;m willing to pay.
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ct0over 3 years ago
Let me disable updates without admin approval! Dont &quot;remind me later&quot; please!
takanoriover 3 years ago
What are Citrix and Tibco used for?
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guyzeroover 3 years ago
My mental picture reading this press release was a child&#x27;s book of dinosaurs, immense, roaming the earth, unaware of their impending doom.
saxonwwover 3 years ago
Apologies for this jumbled recollection and rant.<p>I worked for a Vista-owned company for about 8 years. We were a division of a larger company spun out and sold to Vista. We eventually merged with a couple of other Vista purchases.<p>The initial change I remember was that everyone had to take a combo personality&#x2F;IQ test, the DPAT (dynamic personality assessment test?). It looks like they have replaced that with something called a CCAT now, but I&#x27;m sure it&#x27;s essentially the same thing. The results of your test were not shared with you, and IIRC we were told that the results were available only to the CEO and their executive assistant. Candidates for hire had to take this test too, and if they didn&#x27;t pass we couldn&#x27;t hire them; it was challenging to hire people in our area. The general feeling was that no one applying to work with us was passing the DPAT, although I wasn&#x27;t personally involved in any discussions where someone who would know that (CEO and EA only, remember...) told me so.<p>Some time after this test - maybe a few months? - we had a large layoff. I don&#x27;t know how many people it was, or how many people we had, actually. I believe the entire company had less than 2500 people, and R&amp;D was at most a few hundred. But they brought in security guards to patrol the office for a week or two during and after the layoff. Vista wanted us to hire &quot;HPEL&quot;s - high potential entry level. We seemed to have layoffs every 12-18 months after that. We were always told that change was a constant, things were looking up, we don&#x27;t anticipate more layoffs, did you know we are hiring!, etc.<p>We were paid, and not tortured or anything. But pay was always below-market, and while my memory is fuzzy on the exact sequence of events, it seemed like we were changing 401k and health providers every couple of years. All hands meetings where people complained about compensation and such would get answers like &quot;we continually evaluate industry conditions and remain competitive in the market etc. etc. etc.&quot; Leadership was not constant, and from my position it felt like we never remained committed to anything long enough to succeed. The meme where a baby runs down a hall, encounters something alarming at the corner, and then turns and starts to run back? It felt like that most of the time.<p>The other thing that I thought was fishy but not surprising is that we developed business relationships with other Vista companies. We used Tibco, BigMachines, Marketo, Ping Identity, and maybe WebSense. We had training stuff from SumTotal. I don&#x27;t remember there being an official policy around this - although Vista had their &#x27;Vista Operating Procedures&#x27; playbook for acquisitions to execute - but it did seem like the invisible hand was pressing its invisible thumb on the scale somewhere.<p>Morale was mostly terrible. I know it wasn&#x27;t just me that felt that way, but I don&#x27;t know how much of it was due to Vista vs. something else about our company. I do feel like PE acquiring you means you&#x27;re not successful, that they think they&#x27;re going to lean you out and flip you for a profit. So I would be worried if I were at Citrix, and if my own experience and observation is relevant I would suggest dusting off resumes and at least being prepared to move.
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coineroneover 3 years ago
it wouldn&#x27;t be surprising for me if Citrix now pushing its customers even more into their Hybrid cloud.
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unmoleover 3 years ago
A long time ago, I almost accepted a job at Citrix. From the comments in this thread, it looks like I dodged a bullet.
floatinglotusover 3 years ago
What a fantastic collection of shitty tech companies!
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rdtwoover 3 years ago
I hate citrix. It’s such a shitty aggravating user experience. Sometimes in the middle of the night with no load it almost works ok but it’s never good.
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throwaway599281over 3 years ago
I only used Citrix once and it was just horrible.<p>I have no idea what hardware was supporting it, but I just couldn&#x27;t work with it. Too slow and lots of graphical issues.