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First Principles Thinking

47 pointsby durmonskiover 3 years ago

11 comments

guerrillaover 3 years ago
This is so incredibly bad. The second part of the main thesis is never justified, just asserted. The majority of this is a bunch of unjustified assertions barely connected where almost all actual connections are fallacious. Then some of this is just a hacked up ideolect that redefines things like chefs and cooks with no respect for the empirical world or how chefs, cooks or others actually use those words or how any of them actually do things.<p>&gt; Reasoning by first principles removes the biases, assumptions and conventions.<p>First principles <i>are</i> assumptions. smh. It would be hard to write a more philosophically naive and generally unconvincing article on this topic.
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ChrisMarshallNYover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m never thrilled with these types of essays, but it may be my own personal stuff.<p>I feel as if we are constantly looking for ways to be &quot;better than you,&quot; and I always interpret these types of statements as people reinforcing that the way they do things is better than others, and, by extension, they, as humans, are better than others.<p>In my experience, we usually have some kind of balance. There&#x27;s things that each of us are good at, and things that we are not. Sometimes, the things we&#x27;re good at, are valuable to others, and we can make money, or achieve status. For example, software development, top-shelf athleticism, or strategic management thinking. Other things, maybe not as valuable (monetarily or status-wise), such as being an excellent parent, a great teacher, or a true Servant pastor.<p>I&#x27;m a great geek, but a really, <i>really</i> bad athlete. I&#x27;m not an especially good dancer, and I have not exactly left a trail of broken-hearted beautiful women in my life. I am not a captain of industry, and I have not done a TED talk.<p>So, no, I&#x27;m probably not actually &quot;better than&quot; anyone else, even if I do fit the criteria for &quot;first principles thinking.&quot;
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ragneseover 3 years ago
A lot of negative comments here, so I&#x27;m going to throw out some positivity&#x2F;praise.<p>I do think there is value in putting a name to the process of analyzing what assumptions, mental models, schemata, etc are more fundamental than others.<p>I don&#x27;t generally approve of the hero worship of economically successful individuals like Musk et al, or trying to futilely guess at &quot;the&quot; cause of their success. But, that doesn&#x27;t mean that Mr. Musk didn&#x27;t have a point when he explained that his undergrad degree in physics encouraged him to look at the &quot;everyone knows XYZ is best&#x2F;possible&#x2F;impossible&quot; truisms and figure out what conditions led to that conclusion and whether those conditions actually apply to the specific situation he cares about.<p>The same thing happens in programming. How many times have you, or someone you know, tried to translate a &quot;best practice&quot; from one programming language or framework to another one only to realize that best practices are context-dependent? If that&#x27;s ever happened to you, you would&#x27;ve benefited from &quot;first principles thinking&quot;. WHY is that best practice recommended? What problems is it trying to help you avoid? Is that problem likely to occur in your new programming language? Can you even apply the best practice in the new language? If you can, will it still actually prevent the problem it was designed to prevent?<p>Whether or not the chef&#x2F;cook analogy is accurate, I don&#x27;t think the main takeaway should be that chefs are &quot;better&quot; than cooks as people. I think the point should be that sometimes &quot;cook&quot;-ing is fine, but if you want to become an expert at something, you need to go beyond following &quot;recipes&quot; and figure out how it all works under the hood.
RcouF1uZ4gsCover 3 years ago
I don’t think chefs apply first principles.<p>For example, have you ever met a chef that was able to sketch out the 3-d structure of the various molecules and that used that information to guide their recipe?<p>No most chefs are using finely tuned heuristics about how different ingredients interact.
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dmarchukover 3 years ago
When it comes to first principles thinking I&#x27;ve always liked this article from James Clear: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jamesclear.com&#x2F;first-principles" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jamesclear.com&#x2F;first-principles</a>.
catsarebetterover 3 years ago
Would recommend some examples and some investigation into the the trade offs and some false positives, coming from someone who&#x27;s read like 10+ blogs on first principles thinking. The article really doesn&#x27;t stand out from the competition at the moment. Has good potential though.
spupeover 3 years ago
&gt; Every first principle is a foundational proposition that stands alone (like an atom) and is pure. We cannot deduce it from any other proposition or assumption.<p>&gt; When first principles form the foundations, the solution is sturdy. Elon Musk built both SpaceX (rockets) and Tesla (batteries) based on first principles. BuzzFeed&#x27;s vitality is built on first principles.<p>I didn&#x27;t like the article, and these passages illustrate why.
eternityforestover 3 years ago
First principles thinking applies more to science and invention than engineering. And it&#x27;s easy to misuse and make it into philosophical thinking.<p>Musk appears to have derived his dislike of LIDAR more from ideas than technical studies. Most of the rest of industry seems to disagree...<p>First principles thinking carries the implicit values of keeping things simple enough to reason about that way. It doesn&#x27;t deal well with suppliers and ecosystems.<p>In tech, &quot;Everyone else does it this way&quot; IS a technical advantage because of economies of scale and compatibility.<p>If your custom thing is just right for your application, it&#x27;s probably a liability to the ecosystem in general, because &quot;just right&quot; tech is tuned for one product without concern for the whole system.
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j7akeover 3 years ago
This is a naive article with no critical thought from the author. It feels like the author is just rephrasing quotes from people like Elon Musk (who claims to use first principles thinking).<p>Progress in real life are mostly made by trial and error, and then the underlying theory or first principles are solidified later (eg jet engines, cooking recipes, penicillin).<p>The cases where things start from theory to some final outcome are incredibly rare and mostly concentrate in the field of theoretical physics.<p>People who think otherwise are usually people who never had to get their hands dirty in the nitty gritty of science and research (or cooking for that matter).
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dandanuaover 3 years ago
It looks like no one actually understands what billionaires mean when they explain their fortune by using &quot;first principles&quot;.
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drewcooover 3 years ago
Deconstruction and reconstruction? Sounds like postmodernism.