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Edward Snowden Says 'Media Pushing for War'

64 pointsby good8675309over 3 years ago

15 comments

parkingriftover 3 years ago
The criticisms in this article are all valid. However, Russia is the one who has surrounded Ukraine with 100,000 troops, tanks, helicopters, and equipment. The worst we can say about the media in the US is that they seem perversely and disgustingly excited that this is happening. Still, I don't consider this disturbing behavior to be "pushing for war." The US media has no control over Russia.
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nitwit005over 3 years ago
The narrative here is that the media is pro-war because they want the money from increased readership or viewership, and they&#x27;re attacking anyone who wants peace by questioning their loyalty.<p>I&#x27;m sure there are some hawkish editorials out there, but if that were really true, I should have run into it multiple times with all the coverage I&#x27;ve read.<p>And strangely, no mention of the Russian media at all.
slezyrover 3 years ago
&gt; Bloomberg even accidentally announced that Russia had invaded Ukraine (before apologizing).<p>Well, they are not wrong here. They indeed did.
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adevxover 3 years ago
I see this mostly coming from US and UK based news outlets, and of course the White House. I have this nagging feeling the US really wants a proxy war in Ukraine for whatever reason. It only needs a trigger, like the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. Whatever gets the ball rolling. I hope cooler heads will prevail.
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credit_guyover 3 years ago
Can someone clarify for me, if Snowden is an asylee in Russia, then why should I consider his opinion as neutral? Would he, under any circumstances, express the opposite view?
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jayspellover 3 years ago
I have a hard time understanding why NATO keeps expanding despite the fact that the threat it was created to guard against collapsed 30+ years ago. I find the Russian demand that NATO not expand to Ukraine fairly reasonable given the history they have with NATO. I look at this as similar to the US declaration that missiles in Cuba were not acceptable back in the 1960&#x27;s.
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hirundoover 3 years ago
&quot;War is the health of the state.&quot; - Randolph Bourne<p>s&#x2F;state&#x2F;media<p>See &quot;Yellow Journalism&quot; and the Spanish-American War: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Yellow_journalism#Origins:_Pulitzer_vs._Hearst" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Yellow_journalism#Origins:_Pul...</a>
d23over 3 years ago
&gt; Noting that &quot;the U.S. and NATO are pouring in high-tech weaponry and training up Ukraine&#x27;s armed forces, making it a much more militarily capable foe,&quot; Gill wrote Friday that &quot;from where the Russians are sitting, the deployment of billions of dollars worth of new U.S. and U.K. military hardware on its borders is a sign of escalation, rather than defense.&quot;<p>I may just be ill-informed, so I&#x27;m completely willing to hear alternative views, but isn&#x27;t this complete lunacy? Putin has been encroaching on the Ukraine and pushing to invade it for a while now, and has already invaded Georgia and Crimea, no? And he&#x27;s been lining up the military on the border? How is the US and NATO mobilizing in response not defense? Is the claim here that Putin is genuinely afraid of the US invading Russia and simply operating in self-defense?<p>Edit: I&#x27;m being downvoted, which seems strange, considering there hasn&#x27;t been a substantive response to why this is false.
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avgDevover 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t get it. The media is reporting because there are 130k troops at the Ukraine border and many countries are telling their citizens to leave Ukraine and evacuating embassies. I&#x27;m sure US is very well aware of what is going on.<p>Putin demanded that NATO promises Ukraine will never be allowed in. NATO stated they cannot do that.<p>US sent military to Poland including several fighter jets.<p>Things are serious. Why wouldn&#x27;t media report on these things? I&#x27;m sure most people around the globe are hoping for a peaceful resolution. Russia can back off at any moment and the media reporting stops.<p>WESTERN MEDIA cannot start this war. US will not make a move, NATO will not make a move. Any moves from western side will occur after Russia invades, but I doubt US wants to get involved.
irthomasthomasover 3 years ago
Maybe it was not such a great idea to elect a TV show to your government, Ukraine?<p><i>this is copied from an older comment</i><p>The Ukrainian government has a... <i>fascinating</i> origin story.<p>Ever hear people say &quot;oh politicians are just actors reading lines&quot;?<p>Well, the President of Ukraine is an actual actual actor and comedian. His last acting job was the lead in a series that ran from 2015 to 2019, when he was elected president. The role? An ordinary guy rants online about government corruption, goes viral, and is elected President of Ukraine.<p>That is not a mistake. The actual President of Ukraine was elected months after staring in a series as the unlikely President of Ukraine! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imdb.com&#x2F;name&#x2F;nm3305952" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imdb.com&#x2F;name&#x2F;nm3305952</a><p>Before his role as president, he and his comedy troupe, Kvartal 95, joked about the Maidan massacre. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=33lY5LUPNbE&amp;t=599s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=33lY5LUPNbE&amp;t=599s</a><p>To win the election, Zelensky had to beat Yulia Tymoshenko. At the last minute, a third candidate entered the race, incidentally also called Y. Tymoshenko. So there where now 2 Y Tymoshenkos on the ballot, causing confusion. And a comedian won the race for president. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Yulia_Tymoshenko#2019_presiden" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Yulia_Tymoshenko#2019_presiden</a>...<p>After being elected, Zelensky said<p><pre><code> &quot;Don&#x27;t worry. We will not have nepotism. &quot; During the first year of Zelensky&#x27;s presidency, more than 30 people who previously worked for, or with Kvartal 95 or its subsidiaries, received government positions. </code></pre> Some highlights from the current roster..<p><pre><code> Serhiy Trofimov - First Deputy Head of the Administration (Head of the Office) of the President of Ukraine , formerly - Executive Producer of the Quarter 95 Studio; Yuriy Kostyuk - Deputy Head of the Administration (Head of the Office) of the President of Ukraine , screenwriter and author of the Studio &quot;Quarter 95&quot;, creative producer of the series &quot;Servant of the People&quot; Serhiy Shefir - First Aide to President Zelensky, formerly Screenwriter, Producer and Director of Kvartal 95 Studio; </code></pre> It gets better....<p><pre><code> Iryna Pobedonostseva - Director General of the Directorate for Information Policy of the Office of the President of Ukraine [30] , formerly (according to media reports) - Director of Development of the Studio &quot;Quarter 95&quot;; </code></pre> And my favourite...<p><pre><code> Ivan Bakanov - Head of the Security Service of Ukraine , formerly a lawyer and head of the Studio &quot;Quarter 95&quot;; </code></pre> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uk-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;%D0%A1%D1%82%" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uk-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;%D0%A1%D1%82%</a>...<p>So, the government of Ukraine is made up of actors, screenwriters, and producers, who&#x27;s work resembled a post-modern Ukrainian Monty Python. It is like John Cleese started the Monty Python party, got elected, and is now pushing for nuclear war.
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smrtinsertover 3 years ago
As he was granted Asylum by Russia I wouldn&#x27;t consider him any sort of trusted source on this subject.
vanusaover 3 years ago
<i>There is nothing more grotesque than a media pushing for war.</i><p>To say this about the media without making the same critique about the actions of the current leadership your host country -- which is very obviously the party doing the &quot;pushing&quot; here -- smacks of cognitive dissonance, or worse.
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nix23over 3 years ago
Cant make money with freedom...action is the the important stuff.
jjthebluntover 3 years ago
Why doesn&#x27;t NATO counter-threaten, perhaps, taking Saint Petersburg?<p>Two can play the brinksmanship nonsense game, essentially.
belterover 3 years ago
And nothing more coincidental having a war start as soon as a pandemic finishes....