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Launch HN: Realize (YC W22) – Integrate brokerage accounts into your site or app

92 pointsby seandohover 3 years ago
Hi HN, We’re Sean, Curtis and Tim from Realize (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realizefi.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realizefi.com&#x2F;</a>). Realize is an API that lets you integrate your website or mobile app with popular retail brokerages. Your users can view near-real-time data and make trades from their existing brokerage accounts.<p>Plaid and Yodlee are the main two options for devs building investing apps. However, investment data updates on Plaid&#x2F;Yodlee are capped at daily frequency, with pulls happening overnight, after market hours. Plaid&#x2F;Yodlee support a lot of institutions, but the way they collect data causes unreliability when interacting with some of them. And there’s no way to place trades.<p>We encountered these problems while building a social investing app. We wanted our users to be able to subscribe to other users’ portfolios and be alerted when they placed new trades. This isn’t really possible when order pulls happen only once a day. We also wanted users to be able to “copy trade”, meaning they could replicate other users’ trades in their own brokerage accounts — another feature that wasn’t possible with existing APIs.<p>We then considered using an embedded brokerage solution like Alpaca, but our users would have had to open a new brokerage account. We talked to some friends who said they wouldn’t want to do that, especially with a brokerage they didn’t know of or trust. As a result of this, we started digging into the APIs of some of the major brokerages such as TD Ameritrade, and realized that although it would be super annoying, it is actually possible to integrate with these brokerages and aggregate them in a way that would allow us to build a fully-functioning investing app on top.<p>At some point we discovered that other companies were experiencing the same obstacles as us, so we decided instead to build a startup to solve this problem for app and website developers.<p>Plaid and Yodlee screen scrape in order to provide investing data. (Fun fact: some legacy brokerages have implemented significant countermeasures to screen-scrapers, including blocking suspect user agents and IP addresses, requiring non-headless browsers, presenting subtly different login pages to unfamiliar user agents, bricking links with 2FA, etc.)<p>We take an entirely different approach by building direct integrations, which increases authentication success rates and allows us to produce more accurate, more frequent data. Our API automatically pulls a user&#x27;s portfolio positions, order history, transactions, and historical performance at per-minute frequency, and we allow users to send orders to their brokerages.<p>The quality and accessibility of both public and private brokerage APIs varies significantly. Public APIs for the largest retail brokerages are sparsely and inaccurately documented (the documentation sometimes contradicts the implementation) and many can only be accessed after completing arduous compliance processes with many-month delays. Private APIs need to be reverse engineered and are liable to change at any moment, so we had to develop systems to catch breaking changes and are always on alert to address them.<p>We have companies building a wide variety of products using our API, such as an app that looks at what is in your portfolio and shows you how those stocks are being discussed on social media, or a copy-trading app which lets you clone other people’s portfolios and execute orders for those positions in your own brokerage account.<p>We make money as users link accounts to apps that use our API. We’re still working out pricing, but currently charge a base fee of $300 per month for the first 300 linked brokerage accounts, and after that a monthly fee that ranges from $1 to $0.50 per account as the number of linked accounts grows.<p>You can begin testing our API by heading to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realizefi.com&#x2F;register" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realizefi.com&#x2F;register</a> and creating a developer account, which will give you access to an app to which you can link institutions.<p>We’d love to hear your ideas and feedback! We’ll be online today to answer any questions - we’re always excited to talk about investing, fintech, APIs, etc.

21 comments

steakknifeover 3 years ago
Lol, we had literally this exact startup: TradeIt (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20200817053226&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.trade.it&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20200817053226&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.trade...</a>). Launched about 7 years ago, had official OAuth integrations with most major brokers, an API, and native mobile SDKs that had customizable UI for portfolio&#x2F;order management&#x2F;trading&#x2F;market data. We had some really big customers like Yahoo Finance. Sold to another company about 3 years ago. The buyers had no idea what they were buying and let it rot and eventually shut it all down. Fun times. If we could have held on until WSB went viral a few years back I think we could have been very big. Oh well. Maybe you guys can succeed where we left off. Good luck!
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vmceptionover 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve dealt with a lot of these over the last decade, here is my wishlist:<p>- Multi-legged options trading<p>- Portfolio Margining (and SPAN) system<p>- Cross asset and cross portfolio margin management, inherited by Portfolio Margining regulations<p>most API trading services don&#x27;t allow access to options contracts, or if they do (such as Tradier), they only have the inferior plebeian Reg-T margin which barely makes any sense. Although most of retail doesn&#x27;t know the difference so its probably fine for your service.<p>PM and SPAN margining are similar, but I think PM is easier to calculate one way: just take Reg-T margin requirements and calculate the loss in a +&#x2F;-15% move (6% for indices), and make that loss the margin requirement. Reg-T margin assumes something closer to a +&#x2F;-100% move in the underlying asset, which winds up taking up too much capital.
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koolbaover 3 years ago
Is there any brokerage who’s terms of service or fraud liability protections aren’t entirely waived by using a service like this? Do end users provide the credentials for their brokerage accounts?<p>I can’t imagine any infosec officer or general counsel at a brokerage agreeing to screen scraped data collection. They already get enough legal threats for bad pricing &#x2F; bad execution, this would be an entirely new can of worms.
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ceejayozover 3 years ago
&gt; We take an entirely different approach by building direct integrations...<p>&gt; Private APIs need to be reverse engineered and are liable to change at any moment, so we had to develop systems to catch breaking changes and are always on alert to address them.<p>Isn&#x27;t this still, essentially, screen-scraping? Reverse-engineering private APIs (presumably from their mobile apps, I&#x27;d imagine) and doing the abuse&#x2F;block dance with their protective systems?
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vmceptionover 3 years ago
This gave me PTSD on dealing with algorithmic stock market stuff. Glad you are doing it, I feel like this model accumulates tech debt too quickly, you are stuck doing integrations over and over again.<p>Everyone that can write code just moved over to crypto, where trading is 24&#x2F;7, the CeFi exchanges have free, standardized APIs and the onchain stuff is super easy to code too.<p>In TradFi like this, a whole nother decade has gone by and barely anything has changed, the ridiculous barrier of entry is what makes people believe you have to be an investment banking quant just to write a trading algorithm. When its really just the cost of getting direct market access.
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bradhiltonover 3 years ago
I&#x27;d <i>LOVE</i> to use this, but seems legally dubious. I&#x27;d love to see some written approval from Robinhood and Webull. Seems like an obvious solution, there must be a reason it hasn&#x27;t been done before...
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KerryJonesover 3 years ago
This looks great! Going to talk this over with my co-founder to include in our list (currently have direct TD Ameritrade interaction)<p>Feature wishlist: - Include Interactive Brokers - Support Options in trades
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wizwit999over 3 years ago
Congrats on launching.<p>I&#x27;m not familiar with the space so forgive me but when you say we &quot;build direct integrations&quot;, what does that mean? Is the data available by APIs or did you get someone to do something custom for you? If it&#x27;s available by API, why would others screenscrape?
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sv123over 3 years ago
It would be nice to limit scopes on the oauth request. For example an app used just to report on positions and historical performance. I would be very hesitant to give access to by TD account when it says it could make trades on my behalf, but would happily give read-only access.
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sthatipamalaover 3 years ago
As a consumer, I’ve had significant difficulty getting my Schwab Equity Award Center balances to sync with apps like Wealthfront. The connection is always buggy and I have to reauthenticate all the time.<p>I wonder if this is the problem. If so, I’m glad you are working on this. Best of luck!
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stefanba3over 3 years ago
First off, congrats! The problem I always run into with existing offerings, which as you mention all go through Plaid or Yodlee, is that there is never enough transaction history available for what I need. Typically, its only 3 months&#x27; worth at most.
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dameyawnover 3 years ago
Awesome pain point yall fixing here. Do any of these firms provide actual, document APIs intended for external use?<p>I&#x27;d happily drop my current brokerages and switch to a consumer-friendly brokerage that supported this.
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rmestersover 3 years ago
Congrats on the launch - what you&#x27;ve built is incredibly cool. When do you plan to add European investment accounts?<p>I cofounded Nordigen (Plaid competitor in Europe) and we use PSD2 bank connections, which are great for payments data but do not cover investment data, which is less than ideal. Aggregating OAuth APIs for European brokerages would make so much sense.
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melonyover 3 years ago
Reminds me of <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businesswire.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;home&#x2F;20190403005265&#x2F;en&#x2F;TradingView-Acquires-TradeIt-As-Next-Piece-In-Millennial-Investing-Powerhouse" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businesswire.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;home&#x2F;20190403005265&#x2F;en&#x2F;Tra...</a><p>How does your pricing work?
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jhirschiover 3 years ago
My co-founder and I almost made the exact same transition you mentioned. Frustration with Plaid and MX made us wonder if we should just built the integrations ourselves and make that our company. We&#x27;d be interested in staying in touch and potentially partnering
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kintaloover 3 years ago
This is awesome. Reminds me of Plaid. Congratulations on launching and good luck.
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husseinsyed73over 3 years ago
This is what I exactly need for my startup. We have been struggling with the plaid updates (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.watchr.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.watchr.org</a> if anyone is curious).
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8lueberryover 3 years ago
Congrats on the launch :) I built an integration for 2 brokers and it was such a pain. Plaid didn&#x27;t work and TradeIt just disappeared. Will definitely take a look.
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fsn4dN69eyover 3 years ago
Are you guys planning on adding IBKR integration?
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rajaover 3 years ago
Congrats on the launch and happy to see you integrated with us (Alpaca Markets - YC W19 - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alpaca.markets" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alpaca.markets</a>) for both live trading and simulated &#x27;paper&#x27; trading!
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sjtgrahamover 3 years ago
Congrats on the launch! I&#x27;m the CEO and co-founder of <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;teller.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;teller.io</a> that uses private mobile banking APIs to provide access to bank accounts too, and you&#x27;re right it&#x27;s the way to go. We don&#x27;t think regulation or OAuth based APIs will ever yield an improvement on this approach (explained why here - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.teller.io&#x2F;2021&#x2F;06&#x2F;21&#x2F;our-mission.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.teller.io&#x2F;2021&#x2F;06&#x2F;21&#x2F;our-mission.html</a>)<p>You&#x27;re going to quickly find out that these API endpoints are commonly very well protected as build out your coverage however!
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