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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

264 pointsby gripfxabout 3 years ago

27 comments

ksecabout 3 years ago
&gt;The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099<p>This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better &quot;spec&quot; machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry can no longer compete. And that is excluding things like speakers, trackpad, and thunderbolt port.<p>&gt;A spokesperson told Ars Technica that its business customers are being more open to the aspect ratio.<p>Biggest lie ever. People want 16:10, but for years the industry shove 16:9 to your customer because it was the cheaper panel.<p>&gt; Arm Cortex-X1 cores at up to 3 GHz<p>For Context, the Single Core GB5 Scores<p>Arm Cortex-X1 cores at up to 3 GHz = ~800<p>Apple M1 ( A14 Core+ ) = ~1700<p>For PC Laptop counterpart, a 800 GB5 score you are looking at something like AMD Ryzen 7 4700U if it was limited to run at ~10W. So not too bad. Apple is the outliner here.
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chrisjcabout 3 years ago
I think I&#x27;ll always associate anything that runs on Qualcomm (thought it&#x27;s not just them) as temporary due to its short lifespan and lack of vendor support based on my experience of buying Android phones, tablets and media devices. I think this is already true of some (all?) Chromebooks that actually have expiration dates.<p>This is probably not a fair comparison since it&#x27;s a laptop and windows-based, but it would take a lot to win me back with how much money, time and effort i have lost over the years with these products... not to mention the amount of ewaste has been generated.<p>Even more true with my experience with Motorola (Lenovo); $600+ phone stops getting support&#x2F;updates after 6 months of ownership... trade-in value of $28. Never again.<p>Then again, seeing Intel with some serious competition warms me up a little bit. Also the thought of an ecosystem of blossoming Linux distros for ARM laptops&#x2F;desktops makes me excited.
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ihateolivesabout 3 years ago
Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn&#x27;t see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light&#x2F;powerful&#x2F;quiet&#x2F;cool enough to make put in the order. I&#x27;ve grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an impulse buy I sidegraded to M1 Air instead just to see what the fuss is all about.<p>Well, I&#x27;m not really wanting to go back to regular intel&#x2F;amd laptops now, I have been spoiled.
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josteinkabout 3 years ago
If these ARM-laptops supports the ServerReady platform, I guess it should be possible to just UEFI boot a plain Debian or Ubuntu Arm64 ISO on these machines, without need to tailor a specific image?<p>If not, I&#x27;m going to be dissapointed.<p>Edit: According to a reddit-comment[0], ARM ServerReady, UEFI and ACPI are all requirements for Windows on ARM, so if this thing runs Windows, we should be able to assume all those other things are in place too. Unless someone has locked the SecureBoot-settings, these laptops should be able to run Linux too without too much trouble.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;linux&#x2F;comments&#x2F;k3av65&#x2F;when_will_arm_linux_become_the_mainstream_linux&#x2F;ge33dxd&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;linux&#x2F;comments&#x2F;k3av65&#x2F;when_will_arm...</a>
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pdentonabout 3 years ago
But do they run Linux?<p>ThinkPads were always great for Linux and I&#x27;ve been happy with them ever since I can afford them (6 years now).
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mobilioabout 3 years ago
&quot;The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 when it comes out in May.&quot;<p>It&#x27;s too expensive for an ARM device.
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moonchromeabout 3 years ago
I like this trend, I&#x27;m currently looking at next gen Surface Pro X as a replacement for my 2018 MBP.<p>I&#x27;m almost there with using remote development on super beefy Windows desktop (waiting for Rider remote development support) - I want a mobile device that&#x27;s powerful enough for client apps - but I want to offload heavy lifting to a tower that I don&#x27;t have to listen to whizzing next to my face.<p>I&#x27;m not sure why they keep forcing the laptop form factor on this - tablet is much more flexible, you can add the keyboard folio if you want it but I prefer using dedicated keyboard&#x2F;mouse when I&#x27;m using it for anything nontrivial, and tablet is more practical in most other scenarios.
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pelasacoabout 3 years ago
How was the ARM take over settled down? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;semianalysis.com&#x2F;the-semiconductor-heist-of-the-century-arm-china-has-gone-completely-rogue-operating-as-an-independent-company-with-their-own-ip&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;semianalysis.com&#x2F;the-semiconductor-heist-of-the-cent...</a>
rayinerabout 3 years ago
X1 cores? ARM launched the X2 core back in May of last year. It&#x27;s already in the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1. Interesting to see why Qualcomm would sandbag the laptop chips with last-generation cores.
GeekyBearabout 3 years ago
Has Windows gotten any better at running x86-64 Windows software on ARM hardware?<p>The last time I saw this tested, it was more likely to fail than succeed, but it&#x27;s been a while.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=OhESSZIXvCA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=OhESSZIXvCA</a>
kohlermabout 3 years ago
It is a shame this is based on X1 cores not X2 cores. Feels like they are trying to rip off people.
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francis-ioabout 3 years ago
I know nothing about ARM, but I think it&#x27;s time to learn.<p>Am I right in saying you need to compile the OS and all applications to run on ARM? If so, I bet at least one thing I use daily wont work, and I don&#x27;t want to commit to a laptop like this unless I know it will be a full replacement for my Intel machine.<p>Whats the state of this in Ubuntu?
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blibbleabout 3 years ago
but does it run Linux?
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hericiumabout 3 years ago
Will it be equipped with Microsoft Pluton insecurity chip?
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userbinatorabout 3 years ago
Unfortunately I don&#x27;t think Lenovo has the market dominance and&#x2F;or desire that IBM had in the early 80s with the PC to make their ARM platform the de-facto standard, which means this is going to be yet another of many proprietary platforms whose only thing in common is the instruction set. This is no doubt going to be very different from Apple&#x27;s ARM platform, for example. Even the next model or revision might have some things completely different.<p>I still remember the days when &quot;IBM PC compatible&quot; meant (at the very least, a desire to) something.<p>If Lenovo releases the schematics and detailed architecture reference like IBM did with the PC, they might start another PC revolution; but I doubt they will.
tikuabout 3 years ago
At what point will there come laptops that have a slot for an extra battery like an 18650 or 26650 battery that can sustain a full workday extra? That would be nice, just to carrey a small spare battery.
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xg15about 3 years ago
Was confused about &quot;ARM&quot; written in lower case for a second and was imagining some futuristic device embedded in an elbow sleeve or bracelet.<p>I&#x27;m disappointed.
bayesian_horseabout 3 years ago
For Germans: ARM ist arm, aber besser ARM drin als Arm ab!
eunosabout 3 years ago
Very interesting that we see shift to ARM system from uniquely X86 system. I hope that in the future there will be also shift to RISC-V
numpad0about 3 years ago
How does this compare to X1 Nano? I&#x27;d been looking for a laptop, and the Nano seemed to fit my hand like nothing else. This one feels like a modified T line or a lineage of detachables rather than X series machines, is that the case?
UltraViolenceabout 3 years ago
Why are they doing this? Windows RT laptops flopped almost a decade ago due to the lack of software, and the landscape hasn&#x27;t changed all that much AFAIK.
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llampxabout 3 years ago
I will definitely wait for the next generation for this product. I am still not convinced MS and Lenovo will support ARM long-term.
zoobababout 3 years ago
People want RISC-V, and no proprietary hardware.
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nunezabout 3 years ago
From that angle (and the angle in Tom’s Hardware) the screen panel doesn’t look very high quality :(
gigatexalabout 3 years ago
Tomshardware is such a ad filled cess pool of a site. I refuse to go to any pages of theirs. I’ve blocked them in my DNS. The tech reporting is garbage anyway besides the ad filled pages. A better site for this info is: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gadgets&#x2F;2022&#x2F;02&#x2F;lenovo-announces-the-first-arm-based-thinkpad&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gadgets&#x2F;2022&#x2F;02&#x2F;lenovo-announces-the...</a>
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andi999about 3 years ago
Who needs 28 hours of battery? I mean the big step is that you can run a an extended working day, lets say 12hours, but at least after 16 hours you should be able to plug it in, shouldnt you; best next to the bed you are resting then.
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einpoklumabout 3 years ago
How about they announce ThinkPads with a decent keyboard for a change? :-(
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