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Germany aims to get 100% of energy from renewable sources by 2035

197 pointsby 0xedbabout 3 years ago

27 comments

s_devabout 3 years ago
We&#x27;ve all raised our concerns about the opinions of Germans before on these threads. A brilliant scientific nation that seems to have become recently confused. Sort of like the British.<p>Green Gas? Nuclear is bad because it produces waste despite that waste often being the size of a can of coke after a year of service? Buying Russian gas is actually making Russia more democratic and drawing it in to the West?<p>The past week will have a lot of Germans revising many silly opinions they were originally able to afford but not anymore -- so I&#x27;m going to wait for that tide of opinion change rather than try to persuade anymore. Being naive sometimes is a luxury some can simply afford while others can&#x27;t afford it. Climate change is happening and it&#x27;s not going to wait for Germany, Russia has always been like Russia -- corrupt and unreliable. Amazing that Germany have considered the US a poor partner under Trump but a reliable one with Russia&#x2F;Putin. France seems have better answers on how to solve energy problems than Germany.
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lampe3about 3 years ago
I live in Germany and this to me sounds like a bad joke... In the last years:<p>- Harder laws to build renewable energy source<p>- windmills that create electricity are banned and protested against in villages.<p>- solar parks are not build because they look bad<p>- EEG-Umlage which should be a tax to create more renewable sources will be terminated this year<p>- RWE is destroying villages to mine coal<p>- north stream 2 needed a war to not be finished<p>Hope this explains why it sounds like a joke
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tomschlickabout 3 years ago
Kind of insane that they started shutting down nuclear power plants earlier this year and are now more reliant on Russian gas because of it. How is that more green?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;International&#x2F;wireStory&#x2F;correction-germany-nuclear-shutdown-story-82051054" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;International&#x2F;wireStory&#x2F;correction-ge...</a>
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insicknessabout 3 years ago
&quot;Germany’s pledge to shut down all coal-powered plants by 2038, and a decades-old decision to aggressively phase out nuclear energy, have made the country reliant on Russian gas, which has been cheaply flowing toward German shores for decades.<p>Natural gas makes up 25% of Germany’s total energy consumption, and the country relies on Russia for 55% of its gas supply. If these imports were to suddenly cease, the EU’s largest economy and most populous country would find itself in dire straits.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fortune.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;02&#x2F;25&#x2F;ukraine-invasion-russia-germany-natural-gas&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fortune.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;02&#x2F;25&#x2F;ukraine-invasion-russia-germa...</a>
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qiskitabout 3 years ago
In other words, they are going to offshore most of their energy-intensive manufacturing to china, india, ASEAN, etc.<p>Just like how europe &quot;recycled&quot; their garbage by shipping it to china who just probably dumped it god knows where.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.eu&#x2F;article&#x2F;europe-recycling-china-trash-ban-forces-europe-to-confront-its-waste-problem&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.eu&#x2F;article&#x2F;europe-recycling-china-trash...</a><p>Just like how norway is &quot;environmentally friendly&quot; because they buy so many electric cars, but they are just behind saudi arabia in oil production on a per capita basis.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_oil_production" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_oil_produ...</a><p>One thing european countries excel at is producing great PR. Saudi arabia&#x27;s PR campaign should be : &quot;Saudi Arabia, we are just as environmentally friendly as Norway&quot;.
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iso1631about 3 years ago
Should have set a 13 year timeline after Crimea, it would only be 5 years away now.
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anovikovabout 3 years ago
As always, it has to be noted that pertains to ELECTRICITY only. Quitting fossil fuels for all other uses is decades away, at least 2060. It will still go a long way though and probably bring TFS share of renewables from ~19% today to about 45%, so shouldn&#x27;t be discounted, but it is not in any way &quot;quitting fossil fuels&quot; as the article says.
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3D30497420about 3 years ago
I think one of German&#x27;s most significant mistakes of the past decade was the decision to phase out their nuclear power generation.
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mishftwabout 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220228142759&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;sustainable-business&#x2F;germany-aims-get-100-energy-renewable-sources-by-2035-2022-02-28&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220228142759&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reute...</a><p>Additional details: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cleanenergywire.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;germany-aims-100-green-power-2035-will-present-gas-reduction-plan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cleanenergywire.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;germany-aims-100-green-...</a><p>For those interested in this topic further, Our World in Data project has an energy profile for the country: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourworldindata.org&#x2F;energy&#x2F;country&#x2F;germany" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourworldindata.org&#x2F;energy&#x2F;country&#x2F;germany</a>
throwawayghabout 3 years ago
The plan is to double onshore wind, build more offshore wind, and triple solar. That can certainly offset a lot of nonrenewable production and seems entirely possible in the given time-frame.<p>But what gets offset? Before last week, I would&#x27;ve assumed coal&#x2F;lignite&#x2F;oil. The real development is a shift in priorities -- namely, from decreasing GHG to weaning off of Russian natgas.<p>What I don&#x27;t quite understand is how all of this additional renewable energy production is supposed to offset natgas... electrifying the entire country&#x27;s HVAC infrastructure seems like almost a bigger hurdle than increasing renewable production?
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legalcorrectionabout 3 years ago
It&#x27;s so cheap to make unrealistic promises to accomplish things by a date long after you are out of power.
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andy_pppabout 3 years ago
I read that methane can be produced at about 60% efficiency - if that’s true can’t we just accept that and build the required storage and enough extra renewable capacity?
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lopisabout 3 years ago
No new information in the article that would make this prediction any more likely. We&#x27;re gonna need real measures if we want to cut use of gas and coal. Extending use of nuclear a bit more would be one. Cutting down subsidies to the meat and dairy industry is another. We need radical measures if we want radical results. But no one is willing to take then, not at a personal level (go vegan) and for sure not at a corporate level.
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JumpCrisscrossabout 3 years ago
Are there any decisive moves planned for the next 2 years?
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ck2about 3 years ago
The world is going to need some low-cost energy breakthroughs by 2035 if mere existence is going to be affordable, imagine the cost of living. Housing, food, medical, etc.<p>I assume Germany&#x2F;Europe is having or will have the same housing rental&#x2F;ownership price explosion as USA? Or is this just a US money-grab kind of thing?<p>I can&#x27;t see what will change that cost spike except cheap energy.
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traveler01about 3 years ago
Ah yes, the country that closed nuclear plants to buy natural gas from Russia is now giving our fancy headlines again.
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nedpatabout 3 years ago
Nice! From what i remember, India was the first in the UN to state that it will be carbon negative by 2035-2050
shimonabiabout 3 years ago
The German economist Hans-Werner Sinn made a presentation a few years ago in which he shows how crazy and futile Germany&#x27;s mad embrace of renewables really is. You can see it here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jm9h0MJ2swo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jm9h0MJ2swo</a> (in German)<p>Germany needs to start building nuclear TODAY. But good luck trying that with the Greens in the government coalition.
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oliwarnerabout 3 years ago
Can&#x27;t read past the paywall but this looks to be unsatisfactory.<p>Generating as much electricity as the total electricity they use is not the same as having renewably generated energy stored and ready to use at all times of day, around the year, and for purposes that would have historically used fossil fuels.<p>If you&#x27;re burning fossil fuels for heating and transport and even electricity, that&#x27;s not &quot;100% renewable energy&quot;.<p>It requires degassing heating infrastructure and dealing with the massive increase in power demand that causes. As well as making it cheaper. It has to half in price to avoid heating inflation.<p>Electrification of transport will take decades to complete.<p>To reiterate, I&#x27;m not saying that Germany is aiming in the wrong direction, it&#x27;s just hard to grok what they actually mean. Having seen British politicians screw this up for a quick win, I&#x27;m not optimistic.
lelagabout 3 years ago
I guess their plan is to count on the french being able to sell them power when the wind does not blow hard enough...
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hnthrowaway0315about 3 years ago
They really need to invest more into nuclear energy IMHO.
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edhelasabout 3 years ago
Not gonna happen<p>- Law of physics
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jokoonabout 3 years ago
I wish I could invest in nuclear...<p>Remember that renewables are promoted by the fossil fuel industries, because it gives them more business.
bedheadabout 3 years ago
Religions are belief systems that cause all sorts of wacky outcomes in the real world because the beliefs are based on the way they wish things were instead of the way things are. If more people understood that this is simply a novel religion, this would at least start making more sense.
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hedoraabout 3 years ago
Yeah right. Let me guess. The current politicians will have retired by then.<p>This is a worse joke than nuclear fusion being 10 years out. They should be aiming for zero new installs (including ICE cars) by 2025, and zero emissions by 2030.<p>Any idea how to set up a ballot initiative like that in California? We’ve also pushed the internal combustion engine to zero emission vehicle transition out to 2035.
sremaniabout 3 years ago
Germany has a lot of Renewable already built out and today they are burning lignite to keep lights on. I do not know what they mean renewable here -- unless they are going to do a France w.r.t Nuclear. This is a pipe-dream.
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piokochabout 3 years ago
Yes, yes, we&#x27;ve heard that, let&#x27;s close all nuclear plants, buy gas from Russia and planet will be saved. Great time for this post, indeed.<p>Energiewende is an extremely expensive project that is simply not going to work, what is clarify to some extent for example here [1]. It is economical absurdity, it is as if someone would try to built Perpetuum mobile, but breaking laws of economy. In fact, anyone can find in the internet sunny days stats for Germany and check by themselves if this has any chance to work on a truly large scale without existing efficient energy storage.<p>In addition Energiewende considers gas as green energy source, what is a joke, and, what is even more ridiculous, &quot;biomas&quot; is also green energy source, no idea how burning wood and corn is not emitting CO2, but, hey, ecologist are not doing something totally nuts for the first time, so not a big surprise.<p>Fighting nuclear energy for last 60 years worked so well for Greenpeace and others that we are in the today&#x27;s crappy situation, but still nobody is saying, hey guys it seems you were dead wrong about nukes, it seems that&#x27;s the only clean and practical, CO2 emission free energy source, isn&#x27;t it?<p>If Germany didn&#x27;t waste all those trillions of dollars for Energiewende of solar and wind power plants, but built reactors instead, they would have practically CO2-free economy now, but former chancellor, Mr. Gerhard Schröder, would not get a nice job in Gazprom in that case.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;michaelshellenberger&#x2F;2019&#x2F;05&#x2F;06&#x2F;the-reason-renewables-cant-power-modern-civilization-is-because-they-were-never-meant-to" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;michaelshellenberger&#x2F;2019&#x2F;05&#x2F;06...</a>
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