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Apple Studio Display Review: Nothing to See Here

45 pointsby traucoabout 3 years ago

10 comments

jerlamabout 3 years ago
I know someone who is in the market for this display - they currently have the now-discontinued 27&quot; 5K iMac and want to upgrade. They want the highest resolution and color accuracy for photography and don&#x27;t care about HDR, refresh rates, or integrated speakers. This review, like many others, seem to assume that this is a mass-market product and should fit every possible use case.<p>Tech reviewers: Apple doesn&#x27;t make &quot;pro&quot; equipment<p>Apple: Here&#x27;s a monitor specifically for pro photographers<p>Tech reviewers: This monitor is bad for gaming and watching movies<p>The webcam seems like a pretty big fail though.
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Trasterabout 3 years ago
&gt;Really the only reason to chase after this display for the screen itself is if you desperately care about having a 5K display that can display MacOS at pixel-perfect resolution with no scaling. I don’t want to discount this: a lot of people care about that a lot, and for those folks, $1,599 sounds totally reasonable considering that the only other 5K option on the market is that buggy LG UltraFine.<p>Doesn&#x27;t this just scream &quot;The Mac OS software is bad, so buy our bad monitor to make up for it&quot;. There&#x27;s a reason no one else makes a 5K display, and there&#x27;s <i>no</i> reason why people should need to worry about buying a specific resolution display. It&#x27;s just a failure by Apple. Am I missing something?
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GeekyBearabout 3 years ago
Microsoft released an $800 webcam yesterday that uses the same sort of AI inference tech to follow a user around the room and zoom in on them. Just the webcam, mind you.<p>This is using an LG 5k panel that LG sells as an LG Ultrafine 5k for $200 dollars less in a black plastic shell instead of aluminum, and without the fancy webcam tech or unusually good speakers.<p>The only users who are going to care about this are those who need MacOS&#x27; exact 2x pixel scaling that this resolution enables. (Say for commercial printing workflows where high WYSIWYG accuracy still matters) Otherwise, your GPU can scale to fractional pixels that a display can&#x27;t render accurately on any old display.
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bofh23about 3 years ago
The webcam should’ve been an external option. If I have two or three monitors, only one needs a webcam.<p>Perhaps include a soft shoe or 1&#x2F;4”-20 accessory mount on top for a ball or pan-tilt head along with a nearby USB-C port for an elegant webcam mounting option?<p>Why does a webcam even need an A13 (the guts of an iPhone 11)? I’d expect plenty of idle CPU and GPU cores in the Mac Studio computer driving the display that could be used instead for Center Stage, spatial audio, and Siri wake word.<p>All monitors should ship with VESA mounts. The various stands should fasten to the VESA mount. If Apple makes a great VESA stand maybe folks would buy it to use with other monitors?<p>$400 is a ridiculous premium just to add height adjustability.<p>I’d also like to see additional standard monitor inputs like HDMI, DisplayPort, and even DVI-I (dual-link and analog) and VGA, with side-by-side and PiP&#x2F;PoP viewing of inputs.<p>Also, add a couple of USB-A ports on the hub to power and connect devices with that ubiquitous connector without an adapter.
vondurabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m thinking there is something wrong with the camera on that particular monitor. I really doubt Apple would release a monitor with that bad of a camera built in. We see this in Mountain Bike reviews once in a while where the frame breaks during testing. Looks bad in the review, but isn&#x27;t what typically happens for everyone else.
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coolsoabout 3 years ago
If I could afford this monitor I totally would buy it. I purchased one of The Verge&#x27;s recommended monitors and returned it immediately for a replacement. The replacement had the same issue the first one did, albeit less severe (bad color uniformity in the bottom half of the screen). It also has a design flaw: like with most monitors, the matte coating is easily visible, in the form of what appears to be very fine sparkly dust on the screen.<p>Given that The Verge isn&#x27;t high on the Apple Studio Display, quite frankly I&#x27;m more inclined to believe it&#x27;s an excellent monitor.<p>All of these review sites are getting quite tiresome.
unicornpornabout 3 years ago
Oh my gosh. Buy a Eizo CG-line monitor if you&#x27;re shopping at this price. Built in hardware calibration and very good gray uniformity. No, not 5k but quite frankly I don&#x27;t have a preference between UHD and 2560x1440 for photography, video and general use. True colors reign.
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joshstrangeabout 3 years ago
As someone who semi-regularly looks around to consider upgrading my monitors I have to say this article seems pretty terrible. Finding a monitor that is the right size, has the right resolution, connects via a cable&#x2F;standard you want, has the right refresh rate, etc is hell, especially if you want 4-5K+. I ended up settling on 3x2K 27&quot; about 3 years ago but was interested in the Apple Studio Display. I think it&#x27;s a little outside my budget to grab 3 of them but the way this article brushes it off as uninteresting is astounding to me.<p>&gt; The real issue is that $1,599 is a lot of money, and here, it’s buying you panel tech that is woefully behind the curve.<p>Behind what curve? It&#x27;s $300 more than the LG UltraFine&#x27;s I can find online and has about the same panel tech as far as I can tell. While the LG UltraFine is older it&#x27;s still unmatched from what I understand listening to various tech podcasts. It&#x27;s damming to me that the Verge couldn&#x27;t&#x2F;didn&#x27;t mention a single other monitor that has all this better tech they allude to.<p>&gt; For those of you that don’t care about pixel-perfect macOS with no scaling, $1,599 will sound frankly ridiculous, and there are lots of other fascinating displays to think about, including a number of OLEDs, some neat ultrawides, and plenty of displays that support higher refresh rates.<p>Links please? When I search for &quot;27&quot; OLED 5K&quot; I&#x27;m not finding much at all. I don&#x27;t want an ultrawide&#x2F;curved&#x2F;&gt;27&quot; display.<p>* LG UltraFine 5K 27&quot; [0] for $1,319<p>* I see mentions of &quot;Iiyama ProLite XB2779QQS&quot; [1] but it&#x27;s unavailable [2] and I&#x27;ve never heard of this brand<p>&gt; There are $379 TVs with more advanced local-dimming backlights than this.<p>This is such a silly argument, show me a 5K TV with local-dimming for $379. I don&#x27;t know much about display tech but I do understand there are tradeoffs between refresh rate, resolution, LCD&#x2F;IPS&#x2F;OLED, monitor size, monitor price. You cannot simply adjust those various value to what you want (like taking them all to the max) and find a monitor that exists. There are tradeoffs all over the place when it comes to monitors. Finding a semi-related (no, TV&#x27;s are not the same as monitors) product that has 1 specific feature and using that price point is disingenuous at best.<p>I understand the arguments about the webcam but it feels like they hang a lot of the article on that feature and I, for one, don&#x27;t care. You could remove the camera&#x2F;mic&#x2F;speakers and it would still be attractive me even at the same price. Would I like it to be cheaper? Always, but if wishes were horses...<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smile.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B07XV9NQSJ&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smile.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B07XV9NQSJ&#x2F;</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techradar.com&#x2F;best&#x2F;best-5k-and-8k-monitors" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techradar.com&#x2F;best&#x2F;best-5k-and-8k-monitors</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smile.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B078WBRTPB&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smile.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B078WBRTPB&#x2F;</a>
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Tagbertabout 3 years ago
Obviously something wrong with the driver for that camera. The same camera produces very good video in the iPad Pro.<p>As for the rest of the Studio monitor, it is a huge relief to finally have a true 5K display from Apple. The only other maker, LG produced a half-hearted effort that suffered from ghosting, backlight bleed, wobbly stand, and loose ports. Those quality control issues are usually things that Apple gets right an has done so in the similar 27&quot; iMac for several years. No one else makes an equivalent monitor. Yes, there are lots of cheaper 4K displays out there. Some smaller, some larger. 4K is never quite right for a Mac OS display larger than about 24 inches.<p>I see a lot of recommendations for wide-screen monitors instead. I&#x27;ve tried a few of those and they almost always have limited vertical resolution and the text rendering is soft enough that I have to enlarge the text to read it clearly. I do this on the Samsung widescreen that our office supplies.<p>I know that the trend is toward higher refresh screens, and I have a couple of screens with 120hz refresh. Both of those are much smaller screens. It might be nice to have higher refresh but I don&#x27;t actually miss it. 60Hz works well and if the alternative is a higher price, then, no thank you.<p>Similar on the HDR for the screen. This IPS screen has a really great image and reasonable dynamic range for this kind of tech. It might be nice to have more, but everything suggests that mini-LED would be more expensive at this size and OLED is still subject to burn-in for the kind of static images on a computer screen. Maybe if I was trying to watch a lot of movies on this screen, I would value the HDR more, but I don&#x27;t. my computer is a work device. Entertainment happens elsewhere.<p>The price is higher than the typical mass market 4K display. It is a little more than the only other comparable monitor, the LG. Yes, it would be nice if it were cheaper but it could have been more expensive and easier rumors had the price considerable higher. This is a price that I could afford. Of course not everyone can, though Apple customers do tend a little higher on the income level than a Windows user for personal purchases. If I were going to use this for work, I would definitely invest the money. For just personal uses, I&#x27;ll probably stick with the existing monitor, but keep on eye on this and maybe look for a refurb unit in a year or two.<p>FYI the Ars Technica review of the Studio Monitor is a much better look at this product. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gadgets&#x2F;2022&#x2F;03&#x2F;studio-display-review-an-apple-monitor-where-5k-doesnt-describe-the-price&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gadgets&#x2F;2022&#x2F;03&#x2F;studio-display-revie...</a>
musicaleabout 3 years ago
Can it run Doom yet on the A13? :)