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Ur-Fascism By Umberto Eco (1995) [pdf]

238 pointsby monortabout 3 years ago

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praptakabout 3 years ago
To complement this I recommend Five Stages of Fascism by Robert Paxton. He takes a temporal view of fascism rather than ideological, reasoning that unlike most other -isms, fascism does not have a body of works that define the ideology. On the contrary, fascist movements despise coherent philosophies.<p>So his focus is on development of fascist movements in time.
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wrpabout 3 years ago
A good quick critique of the overuse of &quot;fascism&quot; is <i>Antifascism Without Fascism</i> by Stanley G. Payne. (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30583319" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30583319</a>)<p>Payne has written several books on the history of fascism and Francoist Spain. I find his approach to analyzing fascism more systematic and thorough than Paxton&#x27;s.
ianwehbaabout 3 years ago
&gt; There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.
lebubuleabout 3 years ago
&quot;even though I am much concerned about the various Nazi-like movements that have arisen here and there in Europe, including Russia, I do not think that Nazism, in its original form, is about to reappear as a nationwide movement.&quot;<p>&quot;Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.&quot;<p>&quot;The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.&quot;
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unpopularoppabout 3 years ago
Interestingly the listed conditions make both Ukraine and Russia Ur-Fascist states
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twangistabout 3 years ago
Thank you, this is not easy to find in its entirety.
maxbendickabout 3 years ago
I can&#x27;t help but feel too old for this piece post-Trump. Eco succeeds in helping us identify fascism, but this is not the problem.<p>The story of Eco&#x27;s friendship with African American soldiers is odd to me. Eco sees them as cultured human beings who brought freedom to Italy. And yet he neglects to bring up the racial unfreedom they faced at home, including their future exclusion from the GI Bill. Is this irrelevant because the US is not strictly fascist?<p>I mean to say we should not ignore the real psychological and economic forces that fascism is composed of. Eco touches on these forces. But it&#x27;s not enough to stop at classifying whether a state is fascist or not. The forces that compose fascism are always present in liberal democracy, even if they don&#x27;t crystallize into a mass movement.<p>What&#x27;s most disturbing is that the German and Italian masses were not tricked: <i>they desired fascism</i> (even if it was against their material interests). Infantilizing the masses gets us nowhere in our understanding. [1]<p>I may be critical, but this is still a great piece from Eco. It&#x27;s full of insights about fascism, and it succeeds at what it says on the tin.<p>For further reading I highly recommend Wilhelm Reich&#x27;s <i>Mass Psychology of Fascism</i><p>[1] Ripped this paragraph almost word-for-word from <i>Anti-Oedipus</i>
mrjanglesabout 3 years ago
In case it isn&#x27;t clear, this article is not someone who was there talking about the history of fascism. There are plenty of history books for that. The whole point of this article is to give a different perspective on fascism and to rewrite history in a new and original way that just so happens to be more convenient to them.<p>This whole thing can be summarized simply as &quot;Everything I dislike is fascism, even things that have absolutely nothing to do with fascism, and everything that actually is fascism and has a lot in common with my ideology, wasn&#x27;t really fascism, and certainly wasn&#x27;t socialism, even though they all called themselves Marxists&quot;<p>or to quote the article specifically:<p>&gt;The article on fascism signed by Mussolini in the Treccani Encyclopedia was written or basically inspired by Giovanni Gentile, <i>but it reflected a late-Hegelian notion of the Absolute and Ethical State which was never fully realized by Mussolini</i><p>in other words, sure it was developed by Marxists (Giovanni Gentile, and everyone else behind fascism were all Marxists philosopher), but it &quot;wasn&#x27;t real socialism&quot;. It is exactly the same &quot;not real socialism&quot; that all defenders of socialism always use when their ideology goes down the drain.
coldteaabout 3 years ago
This basically dumps together many non-Whig, non-progressivism ideas as &quot;proto-fascism, including along with some key signs of fasism things that have nothing to do with what made historical fascism bad (which was: leadership cult, corporatism, uber race, antisemitism, german expansionism, etc).<p>It&#x27;s also white-washing Stalinism and western colonialism, to which as many (or more) casulaties can be attributed to (and equally nefarious ideologies, the &quot;white man&#x27;s burden&quot;, slavery, gulags for dissidents, etc weren&#x27;t invented by Hitler), but which were not &quot;conservative&quot; in nature, so they get a pass.<p>I&#x27;d rather we stop using the silly catch-all phrase &quot;fascism&quot; for things that don&#x27;t have the attributes of historical fascism (which was a specific, time limited, historical movement), and even more so expand it loosely to mean anything and everything that&#x27;s not pure liberalism.
jancsikaabout 3 years ago
&gt; During World War II, the Americans who took part in the Spanish war were called &quot;premature anti-fascists&quot; – meaning that fighting against Hitler in the Forties was a moral duty for every good American, but fighting against Franco too early, in the Thirties, smelled sour because it was mainly done by Communists and other leftists. . .<p>Just to troll a bit-- if you fought too early on the side of the lower-case &quot;other leftists&quot; in, say, Barcelona you may have gotten in a gunfight with a group of communists[1]. Turns out the world is a complex place.<p>Speaking of which (and continuing to troll)-- anyone know why the lower-case &quot;other leftists&quot; in Barcelona boxed up the photographic evidence of their existence and sent it to the UK instead of the USSR for safekeeping[2]? I mean if the forces against fascism were &quot;Communists, Etcetera&quot; why not send them there?<p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@umawrnkl&#x2F;the-anarcho-communist-dream-of-barcelona-1936-a83b8a79c7f3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@umawrnkl&#x2F;the-anarcho-communist-dream-of-...</a><p>2: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;autonomies.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;the-lost-images-of-anarchist-barcelona&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;autonomies.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;the-lost-images-of-anarchist-...</a>
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motohagiographyabout 3 years ago
While I think Eco is generally a muddled thinker with moments of profound lucidity, I really don&#x27;t think we&#x27;re ever going to separate fascism from being a euphemism for evil, and Eco&#x27;s essay elevated it from the woo of theology to something secular critics can tilt at. There&#x27;s not much to defend about it, it&#x27;s that the quality of interpretation and criticism of it is never more than an arbitrary litany of its sins. (though he gave it a more than fair treatment before deconstructing it)<p>He&#x27;s accurate that Mussolini&#x27;s fascism was something different from Nazi&#x27;ism (which just adopted and co-opted the italian aestheitcs, directly), but it was more of a kind of secular anti-clerical republicanism but with all the awe of divinely appointed monarchs.<p>The crux of fascism was the unity of corporate and state power together - where Eco takes it in a few other directions, which I think its disingenuous to de-emphasize this core property of it, because I think he&#x27;s also an elitist who would be glad to have the reins of a unified corporate state. He&#x27;s freighted an obsolete political system with the countercases to his own ideology and branded it evil. I was going to suggest Eco should have stuck to fiction, but in this case he has.<p>It was a peculiar reactionary artifact of the nation state, which itself is a modern(ist) post-enlightenment phenomenon as monarchies gave way to republics. It&#x27;s different from totalitarianism (as Eco notes) in that Mussolini, Franco, and Salazar lacked the imperialist and colonial urges that would define totalitarian movements of Hitler and Stalin (even though the latter two inherited colonial territories). Post war, the word fascism became just a secular version of evil as defined by largely marxist&#x2F;socialist thinkers, and fascist has become a kind of a catch-all slur against those who assert people should be accountable to principles.<p>It didn&#x27;t really matter before, as there was nothing to defend about its vague and myriad definitions, and the people who spat the word fascist at others didn&#x27;t have enough control of institutions for anyone to care what they meant by it. Today, that it is a euphemism for Evil matters because the people wielding it now are still only as sophisticated as a mob of superstitious villagers, but its nebulous definition has come to envelop some things I think regular people actually value, and instead of Evil being presented as witchcraft, it&#x27;s wrapped in layers of critical theory, but the mob mentality is just the same. Fascism doesn&#x27;t have much going for it today as it was a moment of 19th century nation states adopting 20th century technology, but I&#x27;d say the people indexed on it now are just as much of a mob as they ever were, and whatever they dress it up in, they&#x27;re the same people, still just hunting witches.
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