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Forge – A Django SaaS Framework

84 pointsby davegaeddertabout 3 years ago

19 comments

tonyabout 3 years ago
I think this makes sense. Ideas:<p>- Showcase your reciprocal contributions you make back to django community packages (e.g. Jazzband packages).<p>- Release a permissively licensed django package (with no catches) under your GH&#x27;s org and brand name and have it take off. (e.g. django-forge-admin)<p>- The holy grail would be contributions to django itself. Example: Adding more CSS variables in django admin to font-size and font-family. Add rem, %, calc, flex, etc.<p>- Early startups funding: $5,000 for MVPs up into 6 figures. Your price point could be a bit higher. Email early founders and see what their reaction is. Use that feedback to tailor a business-friendly license to address the concerns of people with decision making powers. Commenters opinions matter, but they&#x27;re not necessarily your clientele.<p>- Strike custom deals to make the sale.<p>- Add on custom development hours and add a clause to incorporate the work back into your product for reuse.<p>- Expect to be reaching out to founders often, using cold email introductions, both for advice, but also to show you&#x27;re flexible. Be willing to hop on a zoom, demo it, etc.<p>- Find early startups to use your framework for testimonials and social proofing.<p>- I&#x27;ve personally set these up before many times in django at previous places. It takes weeks of effort to bootstrap, especially if you factor in billing. No it&#x27;s not 8 hours. It&#x27;s weeks of effort.<p>My only doubt is, I think you may ultimately make more money striking big deals to do development work. What&#x27;s more efficient, a $100-$150k deal with one customer or being on the hook for 100 customers?
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ketzuabout 3 years ago
The descriptions seem a little bit scarce for me. Like others I also wonder who&#x27;s the intended audience. For 1k&#x2F;year&#x2F;repository I need to be quite serious with a project, but that project needs to be basically non existent (otherwise I would probably have the basis already) while also being somewhat serious.<p>Formulating it a bit provocative: In what way is it more than an expensive cookiecutter repository? (Especially with a one-time-use policy per subscription)
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eupharisabout 3 years ago
Interesting idea. I&#x27;ve been using Django for 10+ years and like all the choices you&#x27;ve made here. Not 100% what I personally prefer but close. And the decisions I differ on I&#x27;m curious about: &quot;Hmm, should I be doing it that way?&quot;<p>In the past few months I&#x27;ve been working on side projects and have gone through the process of setting up a similar template (just for my own use), which I&#x27;ve used with two different side projects.<p>I think my interest in buying this is not so much to replace my own template but to borrow parts of it.<p>From the borrow perspective, I wonder if this could be worth it to some established, non-agency companies that use Django.<p>Really nice code you can copypasta over? Doesn&#x27;t take too much of that to get to $1000 of value.
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andrewmutzabout 3 years ago
This project looks very useful. It&#x27;s easy to burn through $1000 in software engineering time setting up the initial stages of a project and this looks like it does a great job of streamlining that for you.<p>Another thing I like about this project: I&#x27;ve always felt that the rails community does a better job than the django community in the out-of-the-box experience of setting up a new app. This project seems to bring some of that niceness to the django world (and would be similar to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jumpstartrails.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jumpstartrails.com&#x2F;</a>).
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languagehackerabout 3 years ago
Great idea to bootstrap a product like this using an opinionated approach that I mostly agree with. The biggest challenge here will be that the audience you&#x27;re most likely to target with this will likely be more interested in doing this themselves off a repo they&#x27;ve already got written up and charging $10k for it to a private client instead.
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uwadmin_wtmabout 3 years ago
This is like SaaS Pegasus <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.saaspegasus.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.saaspegasus.com&#x2F;</a> which is a fraction of the cost and has a lot of the same functions. I wish I could demo it, but I do understand why I can&#x27;t. Regardless, I hope this project takes off.
aosaighabout 3 years ago
This is an interesting project. I&#x27;m not sure I&#x27;d pay $1000&#x2F;year in the current configuration as I don&#x27;t have any projects that could justify it, but I would certainly pay to get insight into how other devs are setting up their projects as well as their development environment and deployment pipeline (maybe in a community format?). For example I have a shortlist of things &quot;I need to read-up on&quot; when it comes to my Python&#x2F;Django projects. Things like Poetry, Pre-commit, Black, TOML files etc. as well as deployment choices (Render, Fly, DO Apps). These are things that I know will be useful but I just haven&#x27;t had time to configured and look into. Things like django-coookiecutter are great, but they only really cover the project structure.
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senkoabout 3 years ago
There is absolutely a market for this kind of product. If it saves someone a few days of work, the ROI is clear.<p>However, in my experience (have a similar product geared towards API backends: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apibakery.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apibakery.com</a>), many developers will stop at &quot;boilerplate&quot;, think &quot;cookiecutter&quot;, and balk away.<p>The most vocal complaints for me were:<p>- it&#x27;s just boilerplate, therefore how dare you charge<p>- I can do that in an hour (all devs are optimists :)<p>- why should I pay a recurring fee for a one-off use (valid, and made me rethink my pricing strategy)<p>Ultimately, I suspect your users will mainly be founders who just want to get the ball rolling as quickly as possible. If you haven&#x27;t already, engage with communities such as IndieHackers and r&#x2F;SaaS.<p>Good luck!
andi999about 3 years ago
I think I might be your target audience (oggling with the idea to create as SaaS, and good background in python). And let me be blunt: your promo material sucks<p>The docs show me what words to type to get your product, but not what your product gives me. From what I figured out it gives me a lot of django stuff. So should I go away now to learn all that djange stuff (probably yes), but then why do I need django forge?<p>The best explanation is the heading of the video. But still, what is the benefit. How difficult is it to build a SaaS with vanilla django, and how much easier is it with django-forge. I couldnt figure that out.<p>Can you make a video, where you show how to make a full fledged SaaS with django-forge and deploy it? How long would that video be?
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jyunderwoodabout 3 years ago
$1000&#x2F;yr is steep for starting a project from scratch with it. You need to really be sure about needing it and about it paying for itself.<p>The Rails equivalent (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jumpstartrails.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jumpstartrails.com&#x2F;</a>) is $249&#x2F;year and the Laravel equivalent (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spark.laravel.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spark.laravel.com&#x2F;</a>) is $99&#x2F;project.<p>Those seem geared in features and price at hobbyist wanting to monetize a side project. This looks like it would be just as helpful for hobbyists using Django, but it’s not priced right for them.<p>Maybe it’s more for people who are about to start a second revenue project.
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ericbarnesabout 3 years ago
* Forge the Laravel server management SaaS<p>* Forge the Django SaaS framework<p>I&#x27;m sure other things use the name &quot;Forge&quot; but just seems odd you&#x27;d purposefully use the same one. Could also make your SEO rather difficult.
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anyfactorabout 3 years ago
I assume the typical dev sentiment is that I would rather spend&#x2F;waste&#x2F;invest 2 hours of my time rather than spend&#x2F;waste&#x2F;invest 1 hour trying to read other peoples code and documentation. Devs are fidgity bunch. And as the great filmmaker Satyajit Ray said, &quot;The only solutions that are ever worth anything are the solutions that people find themselves.&quot;<p>Based on the quote above boilerplates are for people who are more founder-y than dev-y. Some see codebase as solution, some see code as solution.
reducesufferingabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m interested and have purchased SaaSPegasus.com before. I like to compare the base setups between Django SaaS deployments for learnings. But SaaSPegasus is $299, imo $1,000 is far too much, and I wouldn&#x27;t purchase it.
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sailfastabout 3 years ago
Add a Wagtail CMS layer and you&#x27;ll have a number of agencies &#x2F; companies potentially ready to use this as a service.<p>Do you plan on providing a hosted version as well, or just the core shipped package?
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subsaharancoderabout 3 years ago
How is this different from Pegasus <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.saaspegasus.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.saaspegasus.com&#x2F;</a> which is a fully basked SaaS?
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silviogutierrezabout 3 years ago
Disclaimer &#x2F; shameless plug: I have an OSS project in this space, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reactivated.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reactivated.io</a>, and plan to do a Show HN on it tomorrow.<p>With that out of the way, I think having more opinionated Django frameworks is a great thing. Particularly around styling and forms.<p>I also think it&#x27;s interesting to try to &quot;productize&quot; (I think there&#x27;s a better word) what is often done as consulting. That is, bottling up and selling experience. So while the price may seem high, there&#x27;s a ton of wisdom behind it. An experienced Django consultant is easily thousands of dollars per week.<p>I wish you the best!
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illuminatedabout 3 years ago
From the pricing page [0]:<p>Is there a free trial?<p>Unfortunately, because of the logistics of how this works, there is no free trial period. We do our best to give you an idea of what you&#x27;re buying via public documentation, videos, and an overview of the repo. If you buy it and truly decide you aren&#x27;t going to use it, contact us about a refund.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.djangoforge.dev&#x2F;pricing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.djangoforge.dev&#x2F;pricing&#x2F;</a>
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ushakovabout 3 years ago
you want $1000&#x2F;year for a boilerplate?<p>why would any business <i>want</i> this?
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the_common_manabout 3 years ago
Unfortunate naming conflict with Laravel Forge
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