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Capitalism Is Ruining Science

36 pointsby srirangrabout 3 years ago

5 comments

drekipusabout 3 years ago
&gt; &quot;The university existed before capitalism&quot;<p>Seeming &quot;capitalism&quot; was said to be coined by Karl Marx, this much is obvious.<p>&gt; &quot;Without public investment, universities are compelled to play by private sector rules, i.e., to operate like businesses.&quot;<p>Ok, so is the issue that &quot;science&quot; now has to play the same rules as everyone else? (there was some sort of saying of &quot;ivory tower academics&quot; - I guess the ivory tower isn&#x27;t as strong anymore?)<p>I agree wholeheartedly that science and academia should get public funding, more public funding the better, 110%. My wife&#x27;s entire family is a family of scientists and I wanted to be a scientist too, when I was younger.<p>Not sure where that public spending money should really come from.. not &quot;Take from the poor, give to the academics.&quot;<p>Should the title rather be:<p>&quot;Academia is now threatened by economics like everything else&quot; ?
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heydemoabout 3 years ago
Market pressures can have a corrupting influence on many human endeavors, but to say &quot;capitalism is ruining science&quot; is incredibly reductive.<p>Capitalist countries, such as the US and western Europe, have had an outsized contribution to scientific endeavor, winning more than their share of Nobel prizes.<p>This is probably because investment in scientific research depends on a level of material prosperity that wasn&#x27;t achieved in the USSR and communist China. Centrally planned economies tend to be so corrupt that researchers may have bigger issues to navigate than &quot;publish or perish.&quot;<p>Jacobin takes a reasonable point (marketization can have a corrupting influence), dials up the stakes hyperbolically (&quot;a new dark age!&quot;), and pins it on its favorite bogeyman – &quot;capitalism&quot; – an amorphous, nefarious scourge (it&#x27;s not clear what level of socialism we need to adopt to avert the new dark ages.)<p>Seems like a more reasonable take would just be to increase public funding to scientific research.
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timcavelabout 3 years ago
Science is the official religion of USA tyrant culture.
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alexfromapexabout 3 years ago
I think private &quot;academic journals&quot; are a big part of the problem.
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qginabout 3 years ago
Well if Jacobin has a problem with capitalism, it must be really serious.