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Some black holes erase your past (2018)

48 pointsby gone35about 3 years ago

11 comments

dav_Ozabout 3 years ago
This article unfortunately imho does a poor job in putting the mathematical modeling and Hintz&#x27; effort into greater focus and context. Possibly to make it more exciting for the casual science interested reader.<p>&quot;Some <i>carefully constructed mathematical objects</i> (similar to observed black holes) erase your past (makes it possible to cross the <i>Cauchy horizon</i>)&quot; in GR would be more precise.<p>Here [0] is a good article about the kind of mathematical manipulation involved (not directly related). This [1] quora answer goes right to the obvious issues.<p>[0]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quantamagazine.org&#x2F;to-test-einsteins-equations-poke-a-black-hole-20180308&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quantamagazine.org&#x2F;to-test-einsteins-equations-p...</a><p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;Is-the-violation-of-strong-cosmic-censorship-derived-by-Peter-Hintz-relevant-to-the-interiors-of-astrophysically-realistic-black-holes&#x2F;answer&#x2F;Alessandro-Takeshi" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;Is-the-violation-of-strong-cosmic-cens...</a>
dataflowabout 3 years ago
&gt; In the real world, your past uniquely determines your future. If a physicist knows how the universe starts out, she can calculate its future for all time and all space.<p>[Layman here] Is this ignoring quantum mechanics? Or is the claim that you can reconstruct the original wavefunction a collapse? I thought randomness was pretty intrinsic to quantum mechanics.
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algon33about 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;physics.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;403574&#x2F;what-situations-in-classical-physics-are-non-deterministic" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;physics.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;403574&#x2F;what-situ...</a><p>Non deterministic dynamics occurs in Newtonian physics as well. These things are worrying philosophically, but we can take some comfort in that the initial conditions for which these occur are &quot;measure zero&quot; i.e. if you were defining a probability measure over initial conditions, then the non-deterministic initial conditions would have measure zero. It doesn&#x27;t sound like we have that option here though.<p>But in my view, this result is good news. We knew GR was unphysical anyhow. Now we&#x27;ve increased our understanding of how unphysical it is, potentially ruling out more replacement theories.
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dtgriscomabout 3 years ago
&gt; &quot;No physicist is going to travel into a black hole and measure it.&quot;<p>Cowards...
rmbyrroabout 3 years ago
&gt; &quot;<i>If a physicist knows how the universe starts out, she can calculate its future for all time and all space.</i>&quot;<p>This seemingly innocent statement could render a prolific discussion. Branching so many ways...<p>Which one would you like to pick?<p>Loss of simultaneity, from relativity theory [1]<p>Consistent histories and probabilistic future prediction by quantum mechanics [2]<p>Free will -- upfront this can sub-branch into biology, psychology, philosophy, artificial intelligence... [3] [4] [5]<p>&quot;The Best Way To Predict The Future Is To Create It&quot;, so if we can create stuff, then it&#x27;s possible to (at least partially) predict the future? [6]<p>Futurism or Future Studies [7]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;reel&#x2F;video&#x2F;p04s223f&#x2F;physics-suggests-that-the-future-has-already-happened" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;reel&#x2F;video&#x2F;p04s223f&#x2F;physics-suggests-tha...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quantum.phys.cmu.edu&#x2F;CHS&#x2F;histories.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quantum.phys.cmu.edu&#x2F;CHS&#x2F;histories.html</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.frontiersin.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.3389&#x2F;fpsyg.2013.00131&#x2F;full" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.frontiersin.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.3389&#x2F;fpsyg.2013.0013...</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;algorithmic-prophecies-undermine-free-will&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;algorithmic-prophecies-undermine...</a><p>[5] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;projects.iq.harvard.edu&#x2F;predictionx&#x2F;week-3-free-will-determinism-and-predictability" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;projects.iq.harvard.edu&#x2F;predictionx&#x2F;week-3-free-will...</a><p>[6] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quoteinvestigator.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;09&#x2F;27&#x2F;invent-the-future&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quoteinvestigator.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;09&#x2F;27&#x2F;invent-the-future&#x2F;</a><p>[7] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Futures_studies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Futures_studies</a>
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denton-scratchabout 3 years ago
&gt; In effect, all the energy the black hole sees over the lifetime of the universe hits the Cauchy horizon at the same time, blasting into oblivion any observer who gets that far.<p>I don&#x27;t understand that. It sounds as if the reason all the stuff reaches the horizon &quot;at the same time&quot; is because time slows to a stop at the horizon. But doesn&#x27;t that also apply to the &quot;observer who gets that far&quot;? How can the observer overtake all the other stuff?<p>Maybe I should stay clear of articles dealing with GR; I&#x27;m clearly not clever enough to understand them.
Archelaosabout 3 years ago
&gt; In the real world, your past uniquely determines your future. If a physicist knows how the universe starts out, she can calculate its future for all time and all space.<p>No (or only in very special configurations). See for example the n-body problem.[1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;N-body_problem" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;N-body_problem</a>
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largbaeabout 3 years ago
So let me get this straight... you enter the event horizon of a black hole, from which nothing can escape. This &quot;frees&quot; you from your deterministic past so that you have infinite possible futures... but since you&#x27;re in a black hole these infinite futures all probably occur in the ultrahot ultrasqueezy confines of a black hole.
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thelittleoneabout 3 years ago
Ok no scientific basis for this at all but I often wonder if some future inventions are so potent that their &quot;gravity&quot; for lack of a better word, manifests itself into being.
WhiteWolf21about 3 years ago
I found this may be true but still not convincing enough, but at least there are some evidences in the research to take further investigation.
radu_floricicaabout 3 years ago
It&#x27;s the first time I&#x27;ve been excited to learn about black holes since... 20 years ago, probably.