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The mystifying rise of child suicide

51 pointsby IdEntitiesabout 3 years ago

12 comments

thr0wawayf00about 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve struggled with suicidal thoughts throughout my entire life, as far back as I can remember. Both of my parents struggle with untreated mental illness that had a major impact on my upbringing. They were often very emotionally abusive and sometime physically abusive throughout my childhood. There was no such thing as positive reinforcement in our household, we lived our childhoods just trying not be punished and it was at times very difficult. When I went through a divorce in my early 30&#x27;s, I called my mom to break the news and she responded by screaming at the top of her lungs at me. She would later tell me that she was trying to scare me into making sure that I had made the right decision. That night was closest I had come to crossing the rubicon in many years. I still don&#x27;t fully understand how a mother could talk their child this way in such a difficult moment, but such is life.<p>Years later, I was diagnosed with ADHD which answered so many deep questions about why I am the way I am (and why my parents are the way they are). Life is simply harder for folks with ADHD, we struggle with executive function in ways that neurotypical folks don&#x27;t often think about.<p>Strangely, one of most impactful moments towards reducing my recurring suicidal thoughts involved magic mushrooms. During a trip, I visualized telling all of the people in my life that I wanted to leave, explaining in detail why I didn&#x27;t want to live anymore. It was the first time that I gave myself the space to ask myself if I really, truly wanted to leave. And I realized that I wasn&#x27;t ready. Not yet.
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dangabout 3 years ago
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220404223206&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2022&#x2F;04&#x2F;11&#x2F;the-mystifying-rise-of-child-suicide" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220404223206&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyor...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;NIRCs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;NIRCs</a>
civilizedabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m going to make a provocative suggestion. The only thing these parents did wrong was limiting Trevor&#x27;s Fortnite time.<p>I&#x27;m not saying it would have made the difference or any such awful thing. But video games can be a nice time-killer when life is being shitty and you need a way to just... get through it.<p>If your kid is suffering and nothing you&#x27;re doing is working and he&#x27;s self-medicating... maybe it&#x27;s working. Not everything kids do for themselves is some vice that you have to protect them from.
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shruubiabout 3 years ago
The whole story of Trevor is just heartbreaking to me. I see a lot of my experiences helping someone get proper mental health care in this story, and the fact that between the restrictions that COVID created and how ill-equiped the mental health sector is unless you send someone to a hospital is awful.<p>From my experience, putting someone in a hospital or other treatment facility is often presented as the only way you can get help for serious conditions, but for most people, the idea of being sent away to a hospital or other facility for an extended period of time can be very damaging, especially in the immediate term. For people who need that level of care, the feeling of being abandoned, or that your friends&#x2F;family can&#x27;t deal with you anymore or don&#x27;t want you around.<p>You also have the fact that for a lot of people who end up in these facilities, do so because they have been forced in some way, shape or form to be there. Couple that with these places often feeling less like hospitals or places of medicine and treatment, and more like prisons, these environments can make you feel like a criminal or unwanted member of society.<p>Finally, while I don&#x27;t want to paint all who work in places like this with the same brush, my experiences have shown me that it is not that uncommon for the doctors and support staff who work in these places to be somewhat uncaring to those in their care. And, while I understand that working in a place like this would obviously have a significant impact on your own mental health and make you jaded, from my experience what a lot of people who end up in these places want more than anything is empathy and compassion.<p>I&#x27;m not saying that we should abolish hospital treatment for mental health, because this kind of treatment in a lot of cases is both necessary and effective. My thoughts here are that for cases like Trevor, there should be some kind of service or help available that provides the right degree of ongoing care without having to upend a persons life in ways that can be damaging.
travisathougiesabout 3 years ago
It&#x27;s sad but when I read about children who are &#x27;precocious&#x27;, I think either their parents are driving them too hard, or (because of the example of a 4th grade boy bringing a girl to a school event...) there&#x27;s been some sexual &#x2F; emotional abuse [1]. None of what is being described here is normal childhood behavior, which makes sense, since the family is not at all normal. Both parents are hotshot career-focused individuals. It begs the question if the kids ever had time to just be kids. As I&#x27;ve discovered over the years going from a &#x27;work hard, play hard&#x27; youth to a more mellow adult, is that balance is the key, and most people today simply lack it, and these parents sure sound like it.<p>I mean... just reading about their life before the suicides already stressed me out.<p>EDIT: Also, the article spent very little time talking about the human impact of COVID lockdowns (it mentioned them, but did not dwell). Passages like this:<p>&gt; I asked Angela if we could come by for a condolence call. She said yes, if we were vaccinated. Because vaccines were not yet available to children, she added, “Don’t bring George.” She paused, then explained, “It’s just—because of Agnes. She can’t get vaccinated yet, either. And she’s all I have left.” In the following weeks, Angela told her story over and over to any friend who asked, as though she could contain it through repetition. For Billy, even conversational boilerplate was a struggle.<p>Make me think the parents were a bit over the top with regards to covid lockdowns. Children not being able to see friends? Human companionship (physical presence) is a basic human need on par with food and water. No one&#x27;s surprised when a child dies from lack of food. Lack of intimate friendship is the same.<p>EDIT 2:<p>&gt; Trevor, the child of well-off, educated parents, had far better mental-health support than most American children, but was not saved by it<p>In my experience, it&#x27;s better to come from a lower middle class family (so enough money to eat and have everything you <i>need</i>, but not too much), than to come from outright wealth. Money is not a solution to every problem, and too much money and luxury is the root cause of many mental illness.<p>[1] I wrote this comment before reading the article, but the article later goes on to talk about how we was abused. I don&#x27;t want to say &#x27;I told you so&#x27;, but the signs were all there. It&#x27;s interesting... the New Yorker doesn&#x27;t even stop to question whether the rise in child suicide rates may be due to a rise in child sex abuse.
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renewiltordabout 3 years ago
&gt; <i>But he could also turn suddenly violent. At my son’s seventh-birthday party, Trevor bit another boy on the ear so hard that the mark was still visible when that child next went to school.</i><p>Okay, I can’t say I thought they were going to talk about a bite visible the next day. Not saying it isn’t violence, just not what I was expecting with that lead-in.
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scarmigabout 3 years ago
Oddly, the article doesn&#x27;t mention anything about gender roles or the disproportionate impact of suicide on young boys, even though they commit suicide at 4x the rate of young girls[0]. This is especially odd because the author of the article does feel comfortable discussing other demographic trends, like elevated rates among LGBT and non-white youth, even though those trends are much smaller in magnitude than that of boys compared to girls.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kidsdata.org&#x2F;topic&#x2F;210&#x2F;suicides-gender&#x2F;table" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kidsdata.org&#x2F;topic&#x2F;210&#x2F;suicides-gender&#x2F;table</a>
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WalterBrightabout 3 years ago
My hypothesis, unencumbered with any evidence, is that modern society and parents have gotten very good at shielding small children from adversity and failure of any sort.<p>Hence, the children do not acquire any ability to deal with adversity and failure.<p>When they get older, parents can no longer control their environment such that they do not experience failure. By then the failures are more serious and the kids have no coping skills.
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candiodariabout 3 years ago
Strange how little attention is given to the perspective of Trevor:<p>1) he was intense, smarter than his peers (probably a lot), and also physicially superior to them. You might think this is good, but think about it for 5 seconds: it&#x27;s extremely isolating.<p>2) he got rejected ... and rejected ... and rejected. First, by his classmates and schoolmates ... then<p>3) the schools responded to this, not by figuring out both sides of the story, but by dumping schools him, despite Trevor obviously putting in extra effort to satisfy everything demanded of him<p>4) Trevor&#x27;s skiing is striking: clearly, 99.9% of the time, Trevor was using willpower to satisfy whatever he thought others wanted of him. He must have done this a <i>lot</i> since even in situations where it was beyond obvious nobody suspected this is what he was doing.<p>5) it is mentioned that both of his parents had similar habits. Both parents were driven, and kind, really trying to help people.<p>This paints an entirely different picture, doesn&#x27;t it?<p>In short confrontations with others, Trevor was irresistibly nice. In longer confrontations (willpower will falter occasionally), nobody likes him (because he <i>is</i> superior to the other children. Not even because he actually is, but because he is intense: he will put real effort into learning a <i>lot</i> of things, from English to skiing, dating to &quot;politics&quot;).<p>And of course, the problem these parents and children have with the suicide ... is how it affects <i>them</i>. That, perhaps, they ... how to put it ... &quot;weren&#x27;t letting Trevor be Trevor&quot;, does not register to anyone at all. That they put him through hell, probably asking more and more of him, until he lost control, then punished him, and then dumped him ... not a second&#x27;s thought is wasted on that. Everyone is just protecting themselves, and most are simply protecting themselves. He needed to be acknowledged and rewarded for the effort he put in. But these days (not that it was much better before, but it was better), we <i>demand</i> any such effort be hidden and buried deeply (a lot of schools don&#x27;t even give grades, at all, anymore).<p>For reasons that I cannot fathom we seem to think this will make people &quot;more equal&quot;, when in reality, of course, it rewards being born in a powerful position in society, and focusing on ability rewards putting in effort. Certainly with the current availability of learning materials.<p>Trevor wasn&#x27;t depressed at all, I&#x27;d bet. I bet he was working on 5 side projects the week he killed himself.<p>What would have helped? <i>NOT</i> rejecting him. Certainly not throwing him out of school. Instead, provide him with a real challenge. But for the same reason these people can&#x27;t see what happened (they&#x27;re completely caught up in their own feelings), they couldn&#x27;t allow Trevor to, for instance, move up a grade (or two). That, obviously, would have hurt <i>many</i> feelings.<p>Trevor killed himself because he was rejected by everyone around him because he performed better than them, and because probably his parents and everyone else kept repeating to him that this happened because he still wasn&#x27;t good enough. Reality is that he cared deeply about people who couldn&#x27;t give a rat&#x27;s ass about him, thought his life worth less than satisfying their immediate feeling on the spot, and after the x-thousandth dumping he got blamed for for reasons he couldn&#x27;t understand, he ended it. He died because he was not average, trying to be better, in a sea of people who cannot deal with even a fleeting moment of impression that someone might be better than them, or that they might need to put in some work to catch up to him.
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lifeplusplusabout 3 years ago
Possible correlation with rise in atheism
Overtonwindowabout 3 years ago
The article goes out of its way to avoid discussing the damage the pandemic and the lockdowns did to children. We will reap that mistake for a long time.
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Overtonwindowabout 3 years ago
The damage done to children due to masks and lockdowns will be reckoned with for a generation.
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