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Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

277 pointsby guard0gabout 3 years ago

21 comments

Barreraabout 3 years ago
&gt; Russian gas accounted for 55% of Germany&#x27;s gas imports in 2021 and 40% of its gas imports in the first quarter of 2022, Reuters reported. The country has pledged to end the use of Russian gas by 2024, the Habeck said in a March 25 press release.<p>Some in this thread have asked how Germany could be so foolish to tie its economic destiny to such a problematic country as Russia.<p>The answer seems to be &quot;one step at a time.&quot; And Germany is not unique.<p>Take the United States, for example, and its near total dependency on Chinese manufacturing for, well, just about everything. The US offshored manufacturing capacity hand-over-fist. In exchange the US got cheap goods (and low inflation), and continued supremacy of the dollar in world trade and as a reserve asset.<p>Both of those benefits are looking shakier by the week. Inflation is ripping higher, and the sanctions on Russia have prompted what some observers are calling Bretton Woods III, or a brand new economic order that minimizes the position of the US dollar.<p>But the worst part of all is the enormous leverage China has over the US. The US can protest human rights violations or even an attack on Taiwan, but any serious action taken against China will visit upon the US the same fate as Germany now faces. The brave threats can not be made good on because of an economic hole dug over the course of a generation or two.<p>The irony is that if you wind the clock back 25 years or so, this situation is the same in direction (although possibly not in magnitude) as policy makers wanted. Free trade was supposed to make conflicts more difficult because of mutual dependency. And it has worked. Just look at the disconnect between the saber-rattling German&#x2F;US rhetoric and the tepid German&#x2F;US actions.
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lobochromeabout 3 years ago
They sold the company to new owners on Friday who then tried to liquidate it. Gazprom Germania is the counterpart to Gas dealers and utilities. It then has an intra-company agreement with Gazprom Russia.<p>If they had liquidated, those contracts would have been gone and the Gas dealers &amp; utilities would have had to renegotiate new contracts with Gazprom Russia. This would have allowed them to require payments in Rubles instead of Euros.
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Medowarabout 3 years ago
More Background, why this is in fact important: Gazprom Germania is also a critical part of the german Gas-Market, because it owns the largest gas-Storage with 1&#x2F;5 of total capacity in Germany, major Gas Pipelines and Platforms for trading the ressource. This is both through Sub-companies Wingas and Astora.<p>It also has contracts with Gazprom in Russia with guaranteed Prices and Deliveries.
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LAC-Techabout 3 years ago
This doesn&#x27;t make sense to me. Can i get an explanation?<p>The German state seized a local German branch of the Russian Gazprom company. In order to secure its energy supplies... which come from Russia.<p>Are they in essence capturing some reserves?
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manuelabeledoabout 3 years ago
Only tangential to the article, but does anyone find risky that absolutely critical services depend on one or two foreign private companies?<p>And other than losing money, what would be the consequences of Gazprom pulling out of Germany completely? I’m guessing that Russia just doesn’t have enough economic leverage to do so.
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throwaway4goodabout 3 years ago
I hope I one day get to visit a Russian nationalized McDonalds; just to fully grasp what deglobalization means ...
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hugiabout 3 years ago
It&#x27;s nice to see Germany start working towards energy independence. I think it&#x27;s a crucial factor for both national security and a faster migration to more environmentally friendly energy sources.
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quantum_stateabout 3 years ago
Where is the rule of law and protection of private property?
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exabrialabout 3 years ago
&gt; The country has pledged to end the use of Russian gas by 2024<p>Plenty of LNG ships and suppliers. Cheap gas is not worth an immense cost of human life. I think this timetable could be moved forward far quicker.
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rootsudoabout 3 years ago
Reminds me of the ending of Three days of the Condor. A great film, while it doesn&#x27;t touch on the exact issue happening today w&#x2F; Russia, the ending has quite an emotional tinge about the ends justifying the means.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vZNnDiDSUiI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vZNnDiDSUiI</a>
fareeshabout 3 years ago
They seized the call center?
actionfromafarabout 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;energy&#x2F;german-regulator-takes-over-gazprom-germania-ensure-energy-supply-2022-04-04&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;energy&#x2F;german-regulator-tak...</a>
durnygburabout 3 years ago
So they finally can fire Schröder... oh he is in Rosneft already what a bummer.
twa999about 3 years ago
&gt; Germany has seized control of a local unit of Russian natural-gas giant Gazprom, saying it will do &#x27;what is necessary&#x27; to maintain energy supply in the country<p>this action doesn&#x27;t make much sense then, does it?
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pelasacoabout 3 years ago
from the cyber security point of view, I&#x27;m quite sure the whole branch still under Russia&#x27;s control (IT&#x2F;OT wise)
pelasacoabout 3 years ago
The TL;DR is:<p>&quot;Germany&#x27;s economy minister announced the seizure in a statement on Monday. The move came after the ministry of economic affairs learned that Gazprom Germania had been acquired by JSC Palmary and Gazprom export business services LLC — but it wasn&#x27;t clear who the owners behind the two companies were, per the statement.&quot;
le-markabout 3 years ago
&gt; Germany is now in the &quot;early warning phase&quot; of its energy emergency plan,<p>I’m not sure what the levels are, seems like they’d be at a higher level since the flows could stop at literally any time since they refused Putin’s decree to pay in rubles.
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komeabout 3 years ago
Gazprom Germania was basically a branch of the state even before... *<i>cheeky Gerhard Schröder emoji here*</i>
sonicgggabout 3 years ago
How many years has Merkel remained in power? This awkward situation is all her doing, but still nobody will mention her name. How can one country willingly put its entire energy sector in the hands of a terrorist state, which has been showing signs since 1999 when bombing its own citizens.
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yrgulationabout 3 years ago
Despite germany&#x27;s strong dislike for east europeans I am glad to see they are taking measures to help their allies. This is a positive move in the right direction, I hope we figure a way to help germany solve it&#x27;s dependency of russia in due time, as indeed their economy needs protection.
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skeptikalabout 3 years ago
This is Germany doing something to not be seen doing anything. Doing something for lack of a plan is usually a mistake.<p>Everything of value of this subsidiary has (pipelines, stored gas, etc), is physically in Germany and already subject to German law. The stored gas wasn’t going anywhere without the German regulator’s permission and the regulator can always force Gazprom Germania to sell German stored gas to Germans.<p>Nor does seizing this magically solve the problem of lack of gas. The Germans either abide by Russian rules for gas, or pipelines coming in from Russia remain empty.<p>This was a boneheaded move. The Russians can now seize a comparable German asset in Russia to recompense Gazprom; say a VW plant, a real asset that can continue to produce real things while the Germans are left with old laptops, empty pipes, a salt cavern and unheated offices in Berlin.
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