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Measurement of the W boson mass reveals 7σ deviation from calculations

356 pointsby nvalisabout 3 years ago

18 comments

nvalisabout 3 years ago
Some comments from an ATLAS physicist doing W mass measurements at the LHC:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;non-trivial-solution.blogspot.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;04&#x2F;do-we-have-finally-found-new-physics.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;non-trivial-solution.blogspot.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;04&#x2F;do-we-have...</a>
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chris_overseasabout 3 years ago
Discussed here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30948260" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30948260</a>
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nealsabout 3 years ago
What is a sigma?
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codezeroabout 3 years ago
How is it that several other measurements have error bars that don’t even overlap with this one?
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beefieldabout 3 years ago
Talking about particle&#x2F;quantum physics, is there a book&#x2F;youtube channel&#x2F;whatnot that would describe (some&#x2F;main) experiments and results that have convinced physicists that classical physics does not work when you go small. I mean, I know about double slit experiment, but I guess it is a long journey from that to the Standard Model.<p>So instead of the heavy theory, I&#x27;d like to see the stuff that made people scratch their heads in the first place.
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mc4ndr3about 3 years ago
If my calculations were off by seven standard devs I&#x27;d quit science and go skip rocks. wth
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was_a_devabout 3 years ago
Can anyone explain the difference between light and heavy supersymmetry? Particle physics isn&#x27;t quite my field
fallingfrogabout 3 years ago
I would guess that unless some other team replicates this result, it&#x27;s probably a measurement error somewhere. Physics can be very delicate and tricky, and it&#x27;s easy to make mistakes. But, even the mistakes are opportunities for learning, so it&#x27;s not a waste.
nyc111about 3 years ago
Do we actually know how physicists define &quot;mass&quot; in this context? Because, in physics many words have technical meanings that only physicists can know. For instance, as a layman when I see the word &quot;particle&quot; I imagine a spherical thing with an extension in space. But a physicist would laugh at me because in physics a particle is not a particle, it can be a statistical bump in data, it can be a field, it can be a wave, anything but a spherical particle. But a physicist would call a wave a particle and see nothing wrong with it. The same goes for mass, what physicists call mass can be voltage for instance. So does anyone know what &quot;mass&quot; means in this context?
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junonabout 3 years ago
Can someone explain this in laymen&#x27;s terms?
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beezleabout 3 years ago
Unfortunately I missed the webinar this afternoon, but here is the orginal press release from Fermilab, it is fairly long:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.fnal.gov&#x2F;2022&#x2F;04&#x2F;cdf-collaboration-at-fermilab-announces-most-precise-ever-measurement-of-w-boson-mass&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.fnal.gov&#x2F;2022&#x2F;04&#x2F;cdf-collaboration-at-fermilab-...</a>
a-dubabout 3 years ago
how much tearing apart of everything and quintuple checking goes on before publishing a result like this?<p>do they stand by the result or is it more of a call for &quot;hey, come have a look at this. we can&#x27;t explain it.&quot;<p>it&#x27;s got to be anxiety inducing! (and exciting, of course)
aaaaaaaaaaababout 3 years ago
Oh no! Time to tweak the parameters of the standard model again!
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Pet_Antabout 3 years ago
How do ±6.4 and ±6.9 combine to ±9.4 and not ±13.3 ?
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freemintabout 3 years ago
7 sigma is actually less than one thinks because these distributions are not normal distributions.
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rybosworldabout 3 years ago
This could be an alien race interfering with our measurements.
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graderjsabout 3 years ago
Scccoooopped! :P :) xx ;p <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30952630" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30952630</a>
londons_exploreabout 3 years ago
Does it make sense to even discuss the sigma of any deviation?<p>When you add in the &quot;10% chance that some scientist messed up the maths or something in the experiment&quot;, then it&#x27;s impossible to ever reach 7 sigma...
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