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Ask HN: Should we survey all the oceans?

8 pointsby FrenchAmericanabout 3 years ago
Our future on Earth is rather gloomy. We are causing a massive climate dereliction and an even larger loss of biodiversity - and we do very little about it.<p>The space programs to send humans in space are at the same time granted hundreds of billions. Many point that maybe this money should be invested in ... discovering our oceans rather than setting up a base on the Moon.<p>I was until recently convinced that it would be much more relevant. Now I wonder: Could it be better to keep the oceans away from our knowledge?<p>I know how absurd it sounds. My opinion varies accordingly to my mood, I reckon. One day, I have faith that knowledge and Science is The Way. The other day, I can&#x27;t help thinking that the current unchecked capitalism will ruthlessly exploit whatever Science discovers at whatever cost for the climate and biodiversity.<p>Could it be more ethical to keep our oceans and seas out of reach of capitalism?<p>Of course, it&#x27;s easy to argue that a better knowledge will empower the protectors of the oceans, since unchecked capitalism is already depleting the seas.<p>Scientific arguments would be therefore the only way to convince the governments to preserve the oceans.<p>But would they really? In the last 30 years, the IPCC reports have proved reliable. Its climate model has been being tuned continuously and their last report is now very reliable.<p>And yet we do nothing at the scale of the issue.<p>So what is the point, really, to know more about our oceans except opening new ways to make profits while destroying Life?<p>Hoping for the best as a principle is nice. And easy. But doing again and again the same error is stupid, isn&#x27;t it?<p>If we believed in Science and Technology as much as we pretend, why aren&#x27;t the 300 billions needed for a base on the Moon directed to find a technical solution to grab CO2 and methane from the atmosphere - at a scale large enough to stop global warming?<p>It seems that we trust Science and Technology in very different ways. A colony on Mars? Yeah, genius! Stop global warming? Rather than founding EarthX, Elon Musk himself prefers to grant 100 million to whoever finds the way to massively recapture CO2.<p>So, what do you think? Is Science the Way or are we helplessly the baddies, since we can&#x27;t help going to the Dark Side when money is to be made?

4 comments

adastra22about 3 years ago
&gt; The space programs to send humans in space are at the same time granted hundreds of billions.<p>You are off by an order of magnitude. The space program is a rounding error in the federal budget. And, FYI maybe one of the few things that actually has a chance of helping end our climate catastrophe while bringing billions out of poverty.<p>I’m sorry but you seem grossly misinformed on these subjects. I really suggest reading up more before coming to judgemental conclusions.
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toomuchtodoabout 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;seabed2030.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;seabed2030.org&#x2F;</a>
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marssaxmanabout 3 years ago
Who is &quot;we&quot;, in this case? Humanity as a whole does not really have any means of coming to agreement or making collective decisions...
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kardosabout 3 years ago
How might we prevent surveying the oceans from continuing?
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