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Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

200 pointsby cconceptsabout 3 years ago
I have depended on Evernote for a long time without even realizing how much of a daily utility it is. It has been so seamless that I had forgotten I was rolling with the free version, until recently. I noticed a few UI changes which seemed a little unintuitive and some of my notes didn&#x27;t seem to sync as reliably between my phone and laptop. No biggie, I have gotten used to updates.<p>Then this week I was working through a new project on a customer&#x27;s site taking notes in Evernote as I normally do. I spent a good chunk of time going through the project onsite and making a comprehensive list of everything that would need to be done. I noticed the header on my note was grey but assumed it was a UI change. I had 4G reception on my phone and figured, even if something&#x27;s not quite right I can sync it up back at the office like I normally do as the note would be on my phone. So I proceeded like normal.<p>The whole note is gone as if it never existed.<p>Is this some sort of effort to onboard me to the paid version? Have I inadvertently clicked a &quot;yes I accept that the free version is going to become unreliable&quot; button?<p>I appreciate I am not a great customer - I have been using a free version for years without even thinking about it. But thats kind of the point, Evernote worked so well I never gave it a second thought.<p>Now I am not 100% sure on the safety of my notes...<p>What is other people&#x27;s experience? Have I just been caught napping because I mindlessly clicked an updated terms of use without reading it (as I do)?<p>If I go paid am I getting something as good as what the old Evernote was like?

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DangerousPieabout 3 years ago
Maybe this is just me getting old, but I feel like Evernote has only gotten worse since I started using it over 10 years ago. Back then it was just a list of notes with some formatting and sync capabilities - perfect.<p>These days they have added all these extra features which I don&#x27;t need, and which have made the whole app slow and terribly clunky. When I use the iPad app it takes several seconds to load notes or search, and the UI keeps jumping around if it hasn&#x27;t loaded completely yet. Terrible experience.<p>The icing on the cake is that they changed the welcome page of the app to no longer show the list of notes - and if you want to edit the page to get that list back, you have to sign up to their premium subscription! And I&#x27;m already paying too, just not for the right level of subscription apparently.<p>I have been meaning to find an alternative for months now, so if anyone has any suggestions please do let me know! The most important features to me are note syncing across iOS&#x2F;Mac&#x2F;Windows and the ability to import my notes from Evernote.
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dotBenabout 3 years ago
I migrated from Evernote to Microsoft OneNote. If I was 10 years younger or still an engineer I would have experimented with a &#x27;roll your own&#x27; FOSS option but these days I&#x27;m an exec and I just need my notes to be stable, dependable, easily accessible etc.<p>OneNote is essentially free, it&#x27;s Microsoft&#x27;s gateway to get people to come back into their ecosystem and you obviously know it&#x27;s going to be well maintained, high integrity of storage, etc. I know it will be still around and maintained in 10 years time when I still want to access my old notes.<p>The mobile and iPad apps are nice, there&#x27;s also a convenient Evernote to OneNote importer: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.onenote.com&#x2F;import-evernote-to-onenote" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.onenote.com&#x2F;import-evernote-to-onenote</a><p>My take on Evernote is that they never managed to properly monetize it. I was a single user, not in a team, didn&#x27;t need shared notes or chat functionality and there was no need for me to pay for it... until they decided to arbitrarily limit the number of devices you could use your account on which is just such a shitty approach because we all know there&#x27;s no actual cost to servicing three devices vs two. In other words the only thing they could do to get me to pay for it was hobble my UX until I coughed up. Sorry, no thanks.<p>Honestly, if you just want a solid 1:1 Evernote replacement that isn&#x27;t markdown, self-hosted, etc just use MS OneNote. It&#x27;s great.
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klausjensenabout 3 years ago
I still use Evernote for scanned documents (invoices, receipts, insurance papers etc etc), and have done so for ~10 years - because I can free-text search in scanned documents.<p>During those years, Evernote has kept getting worse and worse, becomeing slower and more unreliable at doing cores things, while they slap features on it, that I do not want (collaboration, chat and other garbage).<p>I want to migrate off at some point, but 10 years of scanned documents are tricky to migrate, and frankly I do not know of any good alternatives at this point.
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happytoexplainabout 3 years ago
On Windows, when creating a new note with the keyboard shortcut, Evernote started to silently fail to save the note. Once I noticed, I checked its log, and saw that every time there was a database-related error. I reinstalled and that fixed it, but I had to stop using Evernote. I back up my notes, but that doesn&#x27;t help when the program is silently failing to save them in the first place. I used Evernote for <i>everything</i>, and I will never know how much information I lost due to this bug. It was a data nightmare scenario.<p>I also noticed one day that some of my notes that only had titles also had a body containing the same text. I backspaced through the superfluous body, and the note deleted itself. I reproduced this reliably. I think maybe those notes really only had bodies, but Evernote was duplicating the body text in the title textbox, or vice versa, tricking me into thinking it had both, so when I deleted the body, it considered the whole note empty. Luckily, I noticed what was happening before I could no longer remember which notes I had accidentally deleted.<p>Other than the big bugs:<p>Pasting without formatting never seems to work.<p>Assigning a note to a notebook and tagging it is not keyboard-friendly, reducing efficiency dramatically.<p>Filtering by notebook&#x2F;tag takes way more clicks and screens than it needs to on mobile.<p>Launching the app is incredibly slow, which means you can&#x27;t use it for a quick look-up.<p>The conflict rules seem overly simple, as I frequently get conflicts in a big note I have when I simply add a line <i>anywhere</i> in it on two devices.
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nfriedlyabout 3 years ago
Personally, I&#x27;m using the next cloud notes app. It&#x27;s somewhat limited - essentially just plain text with a bit of markdown support, but the upside is that my data is stored in plain text files that are easy to backup and&#x2F;or export if I ever decide to switch to something else.<p>I&#x27;m running it on an unRAID server with nightly backups, but you could just as easily run it from a raspberry pi.<p>Before next cloud, I was using text files in Dropbox.<p>My employer just started using notion. It seems fine so far, but I don&#x27;t see myself switching away from next cloud any time soon.
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michelbabout 3 years ago
Since the move to Electron, Evernote has become a dumpster fire. It&#x27;s considerably slower in <i>everything</i> and no longer supports standard native affordances. I&#x27;ve moved my 12k notes to Apple Notes and the difference is staggering.
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olivermarksabout 3 years ago
I have used Evernote practically since it&#x27;s inception and had a similar doc loss to @cconcepts where I wrote a long piece on a plane which was synced with another user. It just disappeared and was a big loss as it was due the following day. I badgered Evernote support with my ZDNet blogger hat on but never got a satisfactory answer or the doc back.<p>It&#x27;s a terrific product but I no longer trust it for anything important. I also find the search is increasingly janky which is now a major problem. This is all a shame because it is still best of class to me
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tlbabout 3 years ago
Evernote got slower and buggier every year, until I finally gave up.<p>I switched to Joplin and I like it a lot. It&#x27;s very fast. It uses markdown syntax with all the features like LaTeX equations. It stores your notes as regular files in the file system so you can export or grep or whatever. Syncing to the mobile app works OK.
kmarcabout 3 years ago
While I cannot comment on what changed in Evernote, eventually someone unhelpfully will ask you &quot;WHAT? You didn&#x27;t have backup?!&quot;, which is kind of a legit question.<p>Until then, on Evernote&#x27;s Tos [1] scroll down to &quot;What Else Do I Need to Know?&quot; and read point f) of section &quot;YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE That&quot;.<p>In summary, it says they are not in any way reaponsible for your data loss. Reading in-between the lines, it basically says, they will have outages, disruptions, or buggy updates and your responsibility is to defend yourself against these events.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;evernote.com&#x2F;legal&#x2F;terms-of-service" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;evernote.com&#x2F;legal&#x2F;terms-of-service</a><p>I think you already assumed all these. I only elaborated on it because I saw this many times, even (especially?) with the largest providers like Gmail, AWS etc. And this will continue happening.<p>I understand (and a bit scared for) that most of the people don&#x27;t even know how unsafe their data is, however, on HN I would expect everyone is (paranoid enough to) back up their data.<p>I hope you can recover your notes, and regardless of your success in doing so, please spend an afternoon looking up ToS&#x27;s of the services you use.<p>(disclaimer: I worked a bit in the backup sw industry, and yes I have multiple full offline copies of my emails and notes for the past 20+y)
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lazzursabout 3 years ago
I’m a big fan of Joplin<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joplinapp.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joplinapp.org&#x2F;</a><p>The sync works with a bunch of different cloud services and I’ve yet to have a problem with it.
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spondylabout 3 years ago
The short history is that Evernote spent the early part of the 2010s expanding its portfolio into products that didn&#x27;t really serve its core offering such as Evernote Food and Evernote Hello as well as other distractions. They should have used that time (and money!) to set themselves up for the future and now they&#x27;re continually playing catch up.<p>You can read about this era in detail here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nira.com&#x2F;evernote-history&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nira.com&#x2F;evernote-history&#x2F;</a><p>As we come towards the third quarter of the 2010s, Evernote was being shaped up a bit in terms of non-core products being dropped, on-prem infrastructure being migrated to the cloud and so on but this wasn&#x27;t without great pains as well.<p>Not to mention, a non-trivial number of staff appear to have left during that period too which creates a negative feedback loop where the upper tier of potential candidates may be dismissive of an employer like Evernote (if it looks questionable on your CV) which is arguably the type of talent you might need in a period like this where your competitors have true realtime collaborative elements that the market is expecting from you as well as table stakes.<p>Now after this period, and this is just from my own observations so I don&#x27;t have any particular stories to link, Ian Small tool over as CEO with a personal focus on continuing to modernise Evernote.<p>Playlist: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;playlist?list=PL4I5cq2DfrSpehLO_71NCjKSZE0nGXIvf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;playlist?list=PL4I5cq2DfrSpehLO_71NC...</a><p>I can&#x27;t say how that has been received but I have a lot of respect for the &quot;Behind the Scenes&quot; series that occurred, showing Evernote&#x27;s technical investments such as:<p>* Sharding their databases<p>* Standardising feature sets across mobile. Android might have had features for years that aren&#x27;t on iOS and vice versa<p>* Standardising their applications hence the move to Electron. In the context of them needing to move faster, it makes sense to focus on one codebase instead of five, regardless of how you might feel about Electron itself.<p>While I don&#x27;t know that Evernote can ever catch up, I have to say I have a lot of kudos for the risk that Ian took in showing us what they&#x27;re struggling with.<p>That said, I don&#x27;t use Evernote so I can&#x27;t exactly say I feel the pain of their customer base but as far as content that might attract new talent, I think transparency like that is pretty much the gold standard next to having a technical blog and so on.
smcleodabout 3 years ago
They replaced the good enough native apps with a horrible Electron piece of garbage. That was the final straw.
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thesimpabout 3 years ago
As a long time Evernote user I can say that the move from Evernote 6.x to the 10.x version has been a bit of a rough ride. I still use Evernote everyday because I did not find any other note taking tools that fit my workflow. And changing workflows ingrained over many years takes a lot of effort.<p>Then again there are some very irritating things in the new Evernote 10.x versions of which I am constantly thinking: &quot;are they using this feature themselves or am I the only one?&quot;.<p>For example:<p>* try to move a note to a different notebook. You would thing that the obvious thing to do would be to click on the current notebook name that is shown above the note and then it drops down a list. But no.... You have to hover over the current notebook name, then a _hidden_ button becomes visible, that you have to click and then you can move the note.<p>* copy&amp;pasting you tube links always shows a videoclip preview. I never want that, I copy and paste a link because I want to save a link thank you very much.<p>*search through a stack of notebooks still does not work. You can only search through one notebook at a time or through every note.
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mark_l_watsonabout 3 years ago
I was a paying customer for years until I realized that I probably spent about 5 hours a month carefully curating notes, but spent almost no time reading them.<p>Since then I have switched around using Google Keep, Apple Notes, and FastMail Notes for quick and dirty notes on things to do or things to maybe look at in the future.<p>I consider myself to be a gentleman scientist, I am deeply interested in a small number of technologies. What I most enjoy doing now is organizing things I learn or little code experiments in online books that are easy to update, and eventually retire when I don’t want to maintain them or they no longer seem relevant. Sort of like blogging with more structure.<p>Sorry for being so off topic here, but it seems too easy to get into long term habits and not occasionally decide what is really worth spending time on. My carefully curated Evernote notes were a waste of time.
Barrin92about 3 years ago
I was in the same boat. I switched to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;logseq.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;logseq.com&#x2F;</a> + Google Drive. Markdown based so there&#x27;s no issue with being locked in at least.
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smugmaabout 3 years ago
I used Evernote 5-6 years ago. It was a decent product but somehow I lost a note once. I deleted the app and never tried it again. A few months later my wife went through the same experience.<p>I now use the iOS Notes app. It’s good enough, including the sharing feature.
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elcapitanabout 3 years ago
I was equally hooked on Evernote as a main driver both for work and personal notes for many years, but switched to Joplin in 2020, and never looked back. It&#x27;s also much better for development-related notes, as it supports markdown and syntax highlighting for code snippets. The only downside to me is the crazy large binary, but I can live with that.
mkl95about 3 years ago
Evernote have been walking a slow death march for 5+ years.
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Mikeb85about 3 years ago
I just use Google Keep.<p>Tried Evernote back in the day and MS OneNote. Google does cloud sync so much better than anyone else though, even if it has less features.
nitin-paiabout 3 years ago
I was a paid subscriber of Evernote for several years. Then, a couple of years ago, they removed features for paid users in what they called an ‘upgrade’.<p>I switched to Obsidian and am very happy. Obsidian Sync and Obsidian Publish are value for money; and Obsidian+Syncthing is a great option for backing up the notes in a local machine.
opanabout 3 years ago
Don&#x27;t trust proprietary software. Stuff like this will always be a possibility.<p>Syncthing + your text editor of choice (vim in termux on android is actually pretty good, imo) is a reliable bet. Emacs with org-mode could be used in a similar way. I&#x27;m sure there are other combinations as well.
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fredgrottabout 3 years ago
Hmm, that is why i use Github as my note taking tool as I have learned from experience that having a local git and being able to back that up to a cloud git server trumps everything that a normal 3rd party service can claim to provide
didipabout 3 years ago
I am forever surprised that Evernote is still functioning as a company.<p>It is just a note taking tool, something that can easily be done with a git repo hosted on github.
simneabout 3 years ago
Unfortunately, evernote is interesting example of very strange behavior - when they become in troubles with slow backend written on C#, they switched to C++.<p>To be honest, I cannot say anything about e-note client quality, I have not used it at all (I try to use opensource self-hosting alternatives), but such solutions on backend side, look very odd for me, and not look trustworthy.<p>Returning to your case, at adequate services, should be possibility to backup your documents yourself, or service should have incremental backups.<p>So, in such circumstances I will first figure out, if it is possible to make backup myself (and will do backup; and will plan backup frequency based on value of day work for me - for most valued - daily or even few times per day; for less valued - weekly). If self backup impossible, I will ask tech support to return to previous state on server side.<p>For alternatives, as I know, e-note is best for its cost per client, I think anything else will be more expensive (unfortunately, self hosted FOSS solutions are more expensive, even considering, I trust them much more).
j45about 3 years ago
Evernote missed the opportunity to be the first Google docs. It was perfectly lightweight to capture and organize information, often better than its peers on mobile. Didn’t seem to get ahead.<p>OneNote is nice except it lacks offline support.<p>Notion is even better with great collaboration but one fatal flaw, no real offline mode.<p>Evernote was always instant on and with you for the most part, except where it started losing notes on me.
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seanhunterabout 3 years ago
Quite agree, and as a paid user myself I would strongly recommend you don&#x27;t go paid.<p>Evernote just keeps getting worse. They add things with negative utility (like the annoying new &quot;home&quot; screen that you have to click past to get to your actual notes while basic features like &quot;search&quot;, and the app&#x27;s speed are significantly worse than they were a few years back.
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adamddev1about 3 years ago
Does anyone know of a note-taker or just an Android text editor with good paragraph-by-paragraph RTL support? I really like Obsidian but the RTL support is not there, no luck w a plugin either. It&#x27;s too bad RTL is so often poorly supported in these electony apps when all it takes is adding dir=&quot;auto&quot; to the HTML tags.<p>Edit: I just found iA Writer. It works great!
sandgiantabout 3 years ago
I switched to DEVONthink Pro when Evernote switched to Electron and started removing features (e.g. related notes). I capture a lot of images of documents and need the OCR capabilities and search. They also have a fairly extensive AppleScript support so you can automate almost everything. Very happy with the move so far.
erikpukinskisabout 3 years ago
I’ve tried to use Evernote a couple times, but within days it always lost data in syncing between devices.<p>For me Evernote fails the “you had one job!” test.<p>SimpleNote has been great to me. You can tell they’re not going to mess with the core recipe either.
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bsuttabout 3 years ago
Being able to forward an email to create a new note has always been their killer feature for me. The majority of my tasks begin with an email. Does anybody know if any of the Evernote alternatives support this yet?
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bprasannaabout 3 years ago
I have been using Evernote for 10 years. Initially i was on free plan, but the upload limit made me opt for Evernote premium. With premium i never faced an issue with adding a note, searching a note and adding images. I really like their easy integration with browsers and apps. Saving an article is a breeze. Likewise PDFs. As i could see so many complaints from others, there seems to be buggy areas in Evernote. Wish Evernote takes it as constructive feedback and make its product a reliable one. Because, being reliable for so many years means a lot.
srvmshrabout 3 years ago
Why don&#x27;t you try Notion.<p>Seriously, it feels so much better IMHO, with atomic rollback and you can export your data out in a non-proprietary format (MD, HTML, PDF) if it comes to difficult choices someday.
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goopthinkabout 3 years ago
SimpleNote from Automattic is simple, markdown based, local and cloud synced. It doesn’t get too many updates because it’s pretty feature complete for what it does.
ergonaughtabout 3 years ago
The only answer anyone can give you here is that that sounds like an unfortunate glitch, and perhaps some really poor programming&#x2F;planning in some area, but no, destroying your notes is not an effort to onboard you to the paid version.<p>“What happened to them” is covered in other comments (same thing that’s happened to everything that isn’t dominated by a benevolent vision-possessing dictator of sorts to keep things focused and say no a lot).
stblackabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve resorted to downloading and using the legacy version of Evernote. I find this version is more stable.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.evernote.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.evernote.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;360052560314-Ins...</a> (Windows&#x2F;Mac)<p>I&#x27;ve archived this install package in case the URL dies.<p>Edit: This is version 7.14.1
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kactusabout 3 years ago
Evernote started going south for me in 2014. I switched to OneNote and things were great, but it’s far more than I need.<p>These days I just use Apple Notes and it’s been flawless.<p>Notion looks neat but I’m wary of startups now. I’d probably use SimpleNote if I switched.<p>I also have a bunch of scattered markdown notes everywhere, wouldn’t be too hard for me to just sync a folder and use something like Typora to make adding images easier.
stevageabout 3 years ago
I hated Evernote ever since it decided it wanted to be a platform instead of a note taking tool. It was useful in the early days, then it became a gigantic, bloated, ever changing mess that was always trying to get me to use it in ways I didn&#x27;t need. Wish I had ditched it much earlier to be honest.<p>These days I use VSCode Notes, a pretty minimal extension that suits the way I work.
gentlesoulcarpabout 3 years ago
What happened? They took VC money which forced them to &quot;grow without bounds&quot;. This caused them to lose focus and expand their features in irrelevant ways while stretching their internal teams too much and not listening to their active customer base on features to prioritize (even though they had forums for this very purpose). Over time their tone-deaf stubbornness caused the accumulation of too much technical debt. Instead of doubling down on developing performant features that customers actually needed and wanted to use in their knowledge-bases systems, they dressed as Teletubbies (seriously, it was on their &quot;Careers&quot; page a few years back) and created a disjointed mess of alternate products that they did not integrate properly into their system (i.e. Penultimate does not integrate in any useful way). Then they had a brain drain and executive flight (new CEO etc.). Then they moved to Electron, lying to customers saying it was &quot;Feature-Ready&quot; (from the mouth of the CEO) when it was a dumpster fire of a regression, actually removing features and poorly implementing then existing ones. Now its a nagware-bloatware.<p>Don&#x27;t take VC money for knowledge-base companies. You need thoughtful development for these types of applications and a commitment to the very long term, which is incompatible with VC. Obsidian has fallen into this same trap.
kodahabout 3 years ago
Evernote hasn&#x27;t really advanced for me, especially as my needs have evolved. I ended up switching a while back because of that. I&#x27;m currently using Notion because those little built in databases are powerful, but what I really want is a mix of Obsidian and OneNote that can be easily extended and self-hosted.
glmeeceabout 3 years ago
I switched to Nimbus Note a few years back - no real regrets. Minor issue (vs. Evernote): it&#x27;s not &quot;smart&quot; like Evernote and doesn&#x27;t know how to suggest the right tags or categories for a note.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nimbusweb.me&#x2F;note.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nimbusweb.me&#x2F;note.php</a>
masterofmiscabout 3 years ago
Microsoft has decided to Clone Notion and call it it Microsoft Loop. Apparently its going to be a flexible canvas with widgets. Not sure if its been released though.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;microsoft-loop" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;microsoft-loop</a>
627467about 3 years ago
Where I live I pay almost nothing for evernote (just over 1usd&#x2F;year) so I don&#x27;t complain about it much. I do try to keep synced copies of the notes in certain desktop devices just in case the service disappears one day. I also encrypt notes before pasting them in evernote of they are sensitive
fluderabout 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fsnot.es" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fsnot.es</a> for macOS&#x2F;iOS ;-)
eternityforestabout 3 years ago
I am using Obsidian, synced with SyncThing, after trying all the FOSS alternatives out there.<p>It&#x27;s the first time I&#x27;ve actually been happy with a notes app. I wish it were open, and there&#x27;s a few features I wish it had, but it&#x27;s the best setup I have ever used.
pedro2about 3 years ago
I periodically return to Evernote:<p>* Linux support (closed beta)<p>* tags! omg, I hate and love tags!<p>If you wish to hop on Microsoft land, Microsoft Todo and Onenote seems an adequate combo.<p>NOTE: blocking ads somehow blocked Onenote. Not sure which config I used, only that it was DNS, and wasn&#x27;t able to replicate.
ilamontabout 3 years ago
Old wunderlist user, migrated to MS todo which as expected has gotten worse over time, particularly the buggy macOS app but is good enough on the web and iOS.<p>IIRC the original developer offered to buy it back from Microsoft but Microsoft refused.
singularity2001about 3 years ago
To me the core functionality of Evernote has been perfectly replaced by Apple Notes.
tronicdudeabout 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;akosbalasko&#x2F;yarle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;akosbalasko&#x2F;yarle</a> This is an excellent evernote to md exporter.
muheheabout 3 years ago
I just tried to login to my 10y+ account to see what I left there. On mobile. It doesn&#x27;t work and I have to use the app. O my, that&#x27;s so slooow, it&#x27;s painful.
nfcamposabout 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reflect.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reflect.app&#x2F;</a><p>Always open on 1&#x2F;3 of my screen.
bgribbleabout 3 years ago
It’s definitely not as featureful as Evernote, but Simplenote is working well for me for my day to day note taking.
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mario_kart_snesabout 3 years ago
I switched from Evernote to Joplin
wly_cdgrabout 3 years ago
All those product managers gotta Make An Impact<p>But also, if you want a good product to stay good, pay for it
Brajeshwarabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m going to reproduce a comment verbatim that appeared on HackerNews from quite a while ago. I remembered and kept it for reference because Evernote was supposed to be a 100-year company (Phil Libin&#x27;s words) and the decline of Evernote was that one reason why I decided to own my content even if I have to use various tooling on top of it. I moved to a text-based lifestyle spiced with some formatting with Markdown ever since. Phil Libin, as an entrepreneur, founder is an awesome and kind person.<p>---<p>Let’s say you were just hired as the President of a furniture company. The owner says he knows it’s good furniture but even despite huge investments they can’t seem to sell any furniture. Your job is to turn things around.<p>You start on the factory floor. The furniture is made by a combination of machines and human workers. Some people are employed to set up and configure the machines to make furniture parts. Around 150 people work on actually making furniture, either assembling it, doing quality tests, or setting up and operating the automated machinery. Things aren’t perfect, but you aren’t going to make any changes on your first day so you make some notes and move on.<p>The furniture hasn’t changed much over the years, it is still basically the same as it was when the furniture store opened. The furniture gets ‘improved’ from time to time, you see a step stool with an alarm clock, a small safe, and a web-cam built into it, but when you ask the foreman he tells you nobody has ever turned on the alarm clock or used the safe or connected the web-cam on any of the step stools. People seem to mainly use the stools so they can reach things that are up high.<p>There is a problem where sometimes people slip when the stools are wet, so they worked out how to add a nonslip pad, but the product managers have decided that the next feature will be to add scents to the stools, so you can buy a stool that smells like cinnamon or one that smells like apples. They have a big advertising campaign already paid for and they already sent out the press release announcing “ScentedStools”, so the machines need to be set up to start stamping out stools that smell like “Fresh Linen” by the end of the week. There are daily status meetings to update them on the progress. If the “Fresh Linen” stools aren’t being produced by Thursday they are going to start having two status meetings per day.<p>You hear it’s someone named Jim’s last day, so you set up an exit interview. Jim tells you that the bosses and people upstairs don’t really know what is going on in the factory. Most days he just sits and reads the news, his “nontechnical” manager doesn’t know anything about furniture or how Jim does his job so there’s no way for the manager to know what is going on other than to ask Jim. Supervision primarily consists of making sure Jim is sitting at his desk and looking at his monitor.<p>Since it is not a Startup thing to set Jim’s specific hours for him to be at work, his manager has started scheduling 9AM meetings every day to force people to turn up. Every week or so Jim has to update some Product Managers upstairs about what is going on, and he just says they are making steady progress and comes up with some specific problem to explain why they aren’t done, pretty much anything with jargon will work since nobody upstairs “could tell white oak from red oak”. It takes about 5 minutes to give his status update but he’s expected to stay for the entire 1 hour meeting, so he brings his laptop so he can read that FurnitureNews website. He says he is quitting to take a much lower paying job because he is bored and doesn’t respect his manager.<p>Next you go upstairs to the office space and find 300 people having meetings with each other about annual plans and prioritization, writing mission statements and meeting to discuss mission statements. The 300 people upstairs are constantly in motion and complaining about how over worked they are. They each have 5, 6 or even 7 (sometimes more!) 1-hour meetings every day, but you only see them meet with each other, nobody has any meetings with anyone from outside the company, nobody has meetings with possible customers, and only very rarely do you see anyone from the factory floor in these meetings, and then it is almost always just to give a status update. None of these folks really understand furniture very well, they can’t really tell good furniture from bad furniture, they literally don’t know the difference between solid oak and cardboard, they don’t know how long it takes or how much money it costs to build a chair. After a few days of meetings you haven’t met anyone who cares about furniture at all, they all seem to want to work at the furniture factory because it pays well, or they like the prestige of being ‘in furniture’. Mostly they talk about how overworked they are and make the case for hiring a few more people. If they could hire another person for their team they wouldn’t be so far behind. You aren’t sure what they are getting behind in, are they talking about meetings they can’t attend because it conflicts with another meeting that is more important somehow? Do they need more time to work on power point slides for the next days meetings? Some of the office folks have degrees in furniture science, but none of them have ever successfully built or designed any furniture outside of little school projects.<p>Then you go out behind the factory and see a massive mountain of furniture stacked up to the sky. The factory workers have been building furniture every day for years. People all agree that it is good furniture, maybe the best there is. Nobody ever buys any of it. It’s not sold in any stores. No hotels buy it. No businesses buy it. Lots of people are lined up as far as you can see to pick furniture out of the pile for free.<p>How do you fix this company?
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fortran77about 3 years ago
OneNote
hwersabout 3 years ago
Feels like both the comments in here are paid for by Notion somehow.
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unixheroabout 3 years ago
I for one use simplenote.com
arapacanaabout 3 years ago
The future is Notion.so<p>My entire information management pipeline has been overhauled: I know Notion can be a little culty, but it genuinely has improved my performance so drastically I think it is the best thing to happen to me since the internet itself.
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