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BBEdit is 30 years old today

375 pointsby sndeanabout 3 years ago

44 comments

dmdabout 3 years ago
If you scroll down to the very end of the About BBEdit credits, you'll find the "theme song" "Editors at War", written by my wife!
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Loudnessabout 3 years ago
BBEdit still has the best multi-file search-and-replace feature of any editor I&#x27;ve ever used. Tons of options, a visual pattern builder, multiple simultaneous search source directories and the option to save search sets, it&#x27;s saved me innumerable hours of tedium.<p>It&#x27;s worth the price for that one feature alone.
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tmshabout 3 years ago
Reminds me of what that &quot;Read Me&quot; icon might&#x27;ve looked like: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;winworldpc.com&#x2F;product&#x2F;mac-os-7&#x2F;76" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;winworldpc.com&#x2F;product&#x2F;mac-os-7&#x2F;76</a><p>System 7, fun times.<p>I remember:<p><pre><code> * tapping on a folder icon and then a bunch of rumbling in the cage from hard drives back then. * the excitement with controlling a virtual world using a graphical user interface. </code></pre> Still exciting.
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filmgirlcwabout 3 years ago
BBEdit is such a wonderful app. I&#x27;ll be honest, I have never used it as my primary editor -- I grew up on TextMate and the like -- but if I want something reliable and performant, nothing is better.<p>I pay for a license every version just because I want to support teams building apps that have been around for as long as BBEdit has been around and that are so thoughtfully designed and lovingly supported.<p>When you talk to BBEdit diehards, they talk about it the same way people speak of their very favorite and most-treasured tools, and even in the realm of text editors (where, let&#x27;s face it, we&#x27;re just downright passionate about our editor), that is rare and wonderful to see.<p>Here is to 30 more years!
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shrimpxabout 3 years ago
BBEdit is the first programmer&#x27;s editor I used. It was 1998 and I got a job at a Portland design agency who ran Linux on servers and macOS 9 on desktop. BBEdit&#x27;s powerful search and replace function was also my first encounter with regular expressions. Later I switched my desktop to Linux and my editor to Emacs, but I kept returning to BBEdit for its search and replace, while I was still ramping up on Linux.<p>BBEdit stokes super fond memories for me and I wish the best of luck to the project into the future.
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geogra4about 3 years ago
BBEdit is one of those classic software products that will always be associated in my mind with the Macintosh. Been a Mac user for 31 years. A shame that other Mac shops from that era like Ambrosia or Casady &amp; Greene didn&#x27;t make it.
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wisemangabout 3 years ago
I remember naming a function that sanitized sketchy (in the charset sense) email content “zap_gremlins” — this was about a decade ago, and probably about a decade after the last time I used BBEdit. I’m a Sublime guy now but fond memories.
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devyabout 3 years ago
BBEdit is my Mac version of the &quot;Notepad.ext&quot;. Been a user for over a decade by now and still love it, albeit after macOS Monterey upgrade it has become significantly slower in app loading time (from a fraction of second to 1-2 seconds sometimes, irregardless of the size of the files that were previous opened of the number of files previously opened, less than 10 usually for me)
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LordGreyabout 3 years ago
BBEdit is the only application besides the Finder that is always running, on all of Mac systems. I&#x27;ve been a paying user since v2 or thereabouts.<p>BBEdit just rocks.
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LeoPantheraabout 3 years ago
So I guess I used BBEdit for 28 years. I started on System 7? I think. And I finally stopped last year when I switched to CotEditor, wanting something more macOS native.<p>It&#x27;s still installed, though. I was mildly annoyed that I paid for a version 14 license and then about 6 months later version 15 came out and my license didn&#x27;t work in it.<p>It&#x27;s probably still worth the money, but I&#x27;m enjoying CotEditor for my basic text editing needs.<p>Edit: My version numbers may be confused. Whatever they are, my license only worked for less than a year. I did ask support if I qualified for the next version, and they said no.
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theonemindabout 3 years ago
BBEdit has a pretty strong ethos of &quot;giving the user what they need&quot; over what they ask for or what they want. Additionally, they obviously put a lot of thought into the interface and how it works. A lot of editors have flash, and an option and plug-in for everything, but I can&#x27;t find things, the flash distracts me, etc. It feels more GNOME-ish in giving the users fewer good and well-placed options and less KDEish in haphazardly throwing in the kitchen sink <i>somewhere</i> in the menus and preferences if you can ever find it--but I&#x27;ve created a false dichotomy, because BBEdit kind of throws in the kitchen sink without ever feeling like they&#x27;re just jamming in icons, menu options, and preferences incoherently--best of both worlds. In BBEdit, in addition to the logical placement and thought, they have a well-maintained PDF manual which I&#x27;ve gone through pretty thoroughly a few times. I like to learn software like this, RTFM, then I know what it can do. I don&#x27;t like to &quot;easter egg hunt&quot;--pick around menus, or pick around half-baked after-thought &quot;documentation&quot; on the editor&#x27;s website. I don&#x27;t invest serious time into programs that don&#x27;t seriously invest in their documentation. For me, it just makes a huge difference in learning a program and knowing what it can do.<p>I also just don&#x27;t want to curate a mini ecosystem of plugins or extensions to accomplish my work--with varying documentation standards, interoperability, design aesthetic and sensibilities, and so forth. I want want 1st party solutions coherently integrated, full documented and integrated, and BBEdit goes this route, by and large. This isn&#x27;t a magic bullet, but a different set of trade-offs that I strongly prefer, as you can find <i>just</i> the extension that works <i>just right for you</i> in a thriving ecosystem, but for me, I prefer 1st party &quot;maximize the utility under the curve&quot; kind of thinking, the same way Debian or a Linux distribution makes packaging uniform. Yeah, it&#x27;s not compiling qmail with my custom set of patches, but as a coherent system, it delivers a lot of value.<p>I use BBEdit as my primary editor for everything, but I tend more toward SREish stuff than heavy development. BBEdit is really in a league of its own in what you might think of as the editor equivalent of &quot;soft skills&quot; like coherent design, ease-of-use, documentation, first-party features not reliant on extensions as opposed to having to use plugins and third party code (with the associated drawbacks, but you really <i>can&#x27;t</i> match the functionality of your perfectly crafted editor via 20 carefully chosen plugins if you&#x27;re willing to make an editor your lifestyle) etc. Unfortunately, in practice, that <i>does</i> tend to lose to &quot;hard checkbox features&quot; and extensibility.
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tkgallyabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m not a programmer, but I switched to hand-coding my personal website a few years ago and started using BBEdit more and more. The text filters, multifile search-and-replace, and clearly written manual have been especially helpful. The program is a pleasure to use.
klodolphabout 3 years ago
I’ve been using BBEdit more and more these days. Used a lot of TextMate, Sublime Text, VS Code, Emacs… but BBEdit seems to work everywhere and it starts up fast.<p>I’d also say that it’s one of the editors that suffers from the fewest misfires—in Emacs I’ll accidentally trigger some weird command by screwing up a sequence of shortcuts, or in TextMate I’ll accidentally expand some weird macro by holding the shift key down too long, and in various editors, I’ll fight against autocompletion that is sometimes too aggressive. BBEdit, for whatever reason, just gets out of the way and lets me write text.
ChrisMarshallNYabout 3 years ago
I’ve been using it, almost its entire life.<p>Awesome app. One of my “must-have” apps.<p>I use Xcode for most of my day-to-day iOS&#x2F;MacOS stuff, but BBEdit, for all my server work.
vr46about 3 years ago
I still have a licence, still in my Dock, still use it for (a) Massive Files (b) Regex work.<p>But not actually writing code anymore. I guess I must have started with BBEdit Lite in 1994. Would love to go back to 1994.
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eastdakotaabout 3 years ago
I’ve used BBEdit since, I think, 1997. Paid user since 2000, or so. Even since I retired from writing code regularly, every Cloudflare blog post’s first draft I’ve written started in BBEdit. Real or imagined, can’t stand the typing lag in any other editor I’ve tried to use. Great product!
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jmbwellabout 3 years ago
Seems like whatever editor someone might use, they &#x2F;also&#x2F; use BBEdit. Like it rises above editor wars.
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angryasianabout 3 years ago
When they wanted me to move from TextWrangler to BBedit I was against it. Now I&#x27;m a BBEdit fan. Hopefully we see it in another 30 more years
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rmbyrroabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m a Linux user. For a second, I thought it was a BBCode editor.<p>Congrats to the developer(s). It tells a lot about your consistency when you&#x27;re able to maintain something for 30 years.
jeffo_rulezabout 3 years ago
no matter how many times i try to switch to vscode, i always come back to bbedit. no other editor i&#x27;ve tried feels as natural for coding – except maybe visual c++ back in the day.
nkozyraabout 3 years ago
Informative interview with Rich via Apple: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;?id=r2xowjrr" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;?id=r2xowjrr</a><p>This was my first development tool on a mac, which I was using much against my will at the time, finding comfort in Windows and SGI machines in my youth.<p>It was a life-saver as an application, the dev tools available on Macs those days were ... unreliable to say the least.
ubermonkeyabout 3 years ago
When I joined the Mac world in the late 90s, BBEdit was one of the first things I downloaded and installed. It wasn&#x27;t until I started coding with it in about 2001, though, that I realized how limited it was vs. some of the other editors I was toying with at the time.<p>What made me delete it was an episode of data loss in 2005. I hadn&#x27;t saved; the Mac crashed; I lost data because BBEdit amazingly <i>had no autosave or document recovery features</i>. I wrote in, expressing frustration. BareBones&#x27; response was &quot;yeah, we might do that someday. Just save a lot.&quot;<p>I switched to TextMate, and then to Sublime, and eventually to Emacs (though I only rarely code anymore). I never owned a BBEdit license again. In that time -- ca. 2005 -- TextMate was picking up a LOT of BBEdit users for various reasons. Of course, now TM is dead and BBEdit is still here.<p>I did just check, though. Apparently, BBEdit now brags about its autosave&#x2F;recovery features. I guess it turned out to be important to them after all.
michaelsbradleyabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve had a BBEdit license since ca. 2000. And I&#x27;ve always been happy to pay for license upgrades as new major versions are published, even though for programming I&#x27;ve primarily used Emacs since 2012.<p>It&#x27;s still a wonderful tool for working with and transforming plain text.
darkteflonabout 3 years ago
Any users&#x2F;fans have any thoughts on BBEdit versus just using VS Code as your “everything” editor?
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dacracotabout 3 years ago
Still doesn&#x27;t suck.
NoGravitasabout 3 years ago
For those who want to try out an older version of BBEdit, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;system7.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;system7.app&#x2F;</a> has BBEdit 2.1.3 installed.
p3ob7oabout 3 years ago
BBEdit was my main html editor from 1994. Back when sites were mostly static files, its multi-file search and replace compatible with regex was how I’d apply site-wide updates, at times pretty extensive ones.<p>Over the years I have used many editors, I have a weak spot for Atom for code today, but I never stopped running BBEdit.<p>It comes super handy on a weekly basis and is still the only one that can open huge text files easily.
uptimeabout 3 years ago
I have a lot of love for BBEdit. That and textwrangler have been on every mac I’ve owned ++. Usually works like a charm and I get a new license with a new mac. I still use it for large files and when I know I need to experiment with regex on someone else’s output.<p>++ there was that time I had to remove bbedit just to force myself to get used to vscode.
radicaldreamerabout 3 years ago
Wish Yojimbo got the kind of love BBEdit gets
vlarkabout 3 years ago
It doesn&#x27;t suck.
CPAhemabout 3 years ago
Ah world.std.com, the first ever ISP.
fay59about 3 years ago
Big fan of BBEdit, didn’t realize it’s just barely younger than me. I started using it probably about 20 years ago.<p>These days I use it mostly for one-offs and as a scratch pad. It’s doing a very good job at that.
smm11about 3 years ago
I recall using this 30 years ago on System 7. Can I retire yet?
steviedotbostonabout 3 years ago
I do most of my programming in VS Code these days, but I still use BBEdit frequently for quick file editing and complex search&#x2F;replace tasks.
rgacoteabout 3 years ago
Still my &quot;go to&quot; day-to-day text editor. My favorite editor when I used a Mac Quadra and my favorite editor today. Thanks Rich!
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mproudabout 3 years ago
Where’s my Daring Fireball post about this?
tpushabout 3 years ago
I just wish it supported smooth scrolling. Don’t know why, but I can’t stand the line-by-line scrolling.
nnandaabout 3 years ago
I am a big fan of this editor. I tried others on my Mac, but never liked those.
jzer0coolabout 3 years ago
I have my first copy of BBEdit from late 90&#x27;s. Bundled on a shareware cd.
ChrisMarshallNYabout 3 years ago
It’s also nice to see that a 30-year-old posting is still available.
racl101about 3 years ago
Love its diff tool.<p>Still come back to it.
Vladimofabout 3 years ago
I thought that Google groups was down a few years after they acquired the archive...
chmaynardabout 3 years ago
Sez who? I see nothing on the BBEdit product page about an anniversary.
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ephathaabout 3 years ago
BBEdit was a very good replacement for MPW and Think C&#x27;s front ends that pretty much everybody bought and used daily. Then CodeWarrior came along and it wasn&#x27;t really that impressive anymore; still useful for the odd &quot;gremlin&quot; zap or gigantic, bloated folder grep that choked everything else you threw at it back when virtual memory was an aftermarket feature you had to buy from Connectix, but by and large it just sat there on your drive most of the year. It enjoyed a brief resurgence in popularity when Project Builder was forced upon everyone at Apple and folks grew tired of dealing with an impossibly bloated text editor that couldn&#x27;t keep up with an average 13 year old&#x27;s typing speed. A lot of teams with the clout to do so simply refused to touch any of the NeXT junk so they didn&#x27;t have to bother with getting BBEdit to play nicely with PB--the Finder in particular remained a PowerPlant app built in CodeWarrior up through 10.4 I believe.<p>If your notion of web development is rooted in cgi-bin directories, server-side includes or maybe PHP 2 then BBEdit is more than adequate for your needs. It stopped being practical for anything &quot;modern&quot; anyone would ever want to do around 2005. You can argue that &quot;modern&quot; web development has gotten well out-of-hand and that you shouldn&#x27;t really need all those ridiculous plugins to accomplish the basic task of putting a blob of HTML on a screen but that doesn&#x27;t alter the reality of the transpiler quagmire we&#x27;ve let the Facebook kids drag us into one DockerCon at a time.<p>BBEdit&#x27;s primary use case these days is giving John Gruber something to romanticize to hipsters who read books about LaserWriters. Blah blah blah Markdown blah blah blah my kids will die if they see a carton of milk on a billboard blah blah blah James Bond marketshare blah blah blah blah blah. The Simpsons shouldn&#x27;t have lasted 30 years and neither should any piece of software.