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Three areas where Google Search lags behind competitors: code, cooking, travel

527 pointsby swethmandavaabout 3 years ago

67 comments

superasnabout 3 years ago
There are some sites that are so useless and they have never ever helped me once, yet somehow they are always in the top 10 results<p>1. w3schools<p>2. pinterest<p>3. microsoft answers and all microsoft websites actually (it always looks like the person asking the question is asking exactly what i want, but unlike stackexchange, there are seldom any useful answers)<p>4. all the code clones for SO<p>5. all alternative to &#x2F; review sites like capterra, g2, alternativeto, etc. They might have some good suggestions but they always hide the link to the software&#x2F;site and instead link it to their spammy page. So you have to select part of the link and then re-search it on Google. Doing this for OSS projects can sometimes lead to a whole new rabbit hole.<p>6. The best of lists. Google for the love of god, please ban them.. they are always always SEO spam and product placements. Often the blog post itself says &quot;to put your product on this list pay us a $1000 and we will include them in our list.&quot;<p>7. Quora and similar answer sites.. okay it&#x27;s a mixed bag but you have to be very careful on these sites as most often the answers are just spam. I never read any answer with a link in it. But I think it&#x27;s more Quora&#x27;s problem than google. But if google is strict with them they may do a better job at moderating I guess. Also now quora hides answers and asks for a payment. Did they learn nothing from experts-exchange!
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kshackerabout 3 years ago
I know google search is probably not the same as google flights, but I spent a few hours recently (over a few days) using google flights and it was a delight to use compared to the Expedia children.<p>We had a bereavement in the family and had to book multiple independent tickets because we could not travel together. This was just after the Ukraine war started so prices had gone through the roof. Exact number of days was not that important as compared to the price and the duration and using google flights UI to slice and dice the data was such a joy. Want to freeze the airline and look at the alternatives - which include from and to dates, number of days of trips, or freeze any other parameter and analyze others, the response was sub-second. Did not eventually book through them since I did not want to get into the google payment system (they offer booking through others that I did not explore).<p>On the opposite side was Expedia children where they would show a price of 2800 and when you click the price invariably it has gone up to 3600. Again. And again. And again. Not sure if that problem existed with google although I paid the exact same price as the airline as shown by google, it could just be a coincidence.
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abraaeabout 3 years ago
The one thing I wish that Google offered would be the ability to blacklist sites for a period (coud be fixed - say 6 months).<p>So damn annoying when the top search results <i>all</i> lead to shitty SEO-optimised sites that use a whole page to blather on and on, leading to a tiny information nugget at the end. No value, just excellent SEO scamming.<p>As these scam artists get better and better at this, Google gets less and less useful.<p>When I see a site like that, I can be quite sure there is no value to me from that site. I want to blacklist it - not forever (though I&#x27;d settle for that) but so I don&#x27;t see it in search results again.<p>The crazy thing is that this could even be a benefit for Google themselves. They could aggregate these signals and use them to identify SEO scammers, since their algorithms clearly can&#x27;t. I&#x27;m sure that Google aren&#x27;t happy with the lacklustre performance of their search in modern times.
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WestCoastJustinabout 3 years ago
An interesting observation is that over the years, I&#x27;ve sort of found that if there are not many good results, maybe I&#x27;m not asking the right questions, or I&#x27;m not thinking about the problem the right way. For example, you come up with some weird programming idea to solve a problem and no results are found -- I&#x27;m almost always headed down the wrong path. This has been proved to me over and over again as sort of a canary in the search coal mine.<p>Google still solves all my questions, if I&#x27;m asking the right questions, I guess is what I&#x27;m getting at.
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endisneighabout 3 years ago
it&#x27;s not really that Google lags, but rather SEOers have optimized for Google. The problem is intractable. When people talk about the &#x27;good ol days&#x27; or times when Google was better, it was simply because there was less SEO, less spam and generally fewer pages on the internet.<p>Google could be better than it is now, but there&#x27;s no incentive to do so, unfortunately. Say Google allowed you to blacklist entire sites from the results - inevitably those sites that have the most ads would be the most likely to be blocked, resulting in lower revenue for Google.
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PaulHouleabout 3 years ago
For Python programming I would say 100% of the time you should look the answer up in the official manual for a well-defined problem (delete a file) because the manual is correct, well-written, etc. It&#x27;s astonishing how often Google and Bing snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on queries like this.<p>If you go looking in splogs, spam overflow and other spam sites at best you are going to get wrong answers, at worse you will get answers that &quot;aren&#x27;t even wrong&quot;.
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rg111about 3 years ago
I am sure it’s plenty more than these three.<p>Yesterday, I searched &quot;best after-sale service of AC&quot;. What I was shown was SEO&#x27;d pure junk. <i>Absolute</i> junk as the first result.<p>Next few were the same, but more focused on affiliate programs rather than providing genuine info.<p>Down the line was Quora, where _sales rep of AC companies_ wrote answers that _theirs_ had the best service.<p>I wad very disappointed.<p>You.com showed me better result right away.<p>My Kagi and You use is now on par with my Google use. They mights surpass Google soon.<p>I still find Google to be the best for programming answers btw.<p>I would also say that Google&#x27;s ad business is in direct conflict of interest with its search business.
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rmbyrroabout 3 years ago
Google is not great for code search, but I dislike this &quot;rich snippet&quot; thing.<p>These engines are stealing the sites traffic. The whole point was to be a <i>search</i> engine, not an encyclopedia. If you want to be the latter, produce your own content.<p>It&#x27;s my opinion. I don&#x27;t use those engines because of that. They jeopardize their sources. It&#x27;s unsustainable.
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mattferdererabout 3 years ago
Question regarding the recipe example. Does Google deduct quality points the more ads that are put on the website? A long time ago, I recall hearing how Google was able to beat Yahoo by focusing on quality of ads &amp; a higher click rate. Has Google defeated it&#x27;s rivals &amp; switched to their tactics?<p>Side note, I prefer DDG as my search but only because of the bang operators. For recipes !b added to the search lets me use Bing. As the article points out, Bing is really awesome for searching for recipes.<p>Looks like I need to start trying out Neeva &amp; You.com. They had some nice features in this article.<p>Neeva seems to be stealing all the important content from the recipe website which is a highly discussed issue. Bing tries to walk this line by making you still go to the website to read the instructions. Obviously people have trashed Google for doing this same thing on other kinds of websites. Though blogger recipe websites have somewhat encouraged this behavior due to their insane amount of ads &amp; life stories they&#x27;re well known for.
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simslaabout 3 years ago
One Google feature that I miss terribly is hard filtering.<p>Used to be if you included &quot;term&quot; or -&quot;term&quot; you&#x27;d only get results that did&#x2F;n&#x27;t include those terms. But it seems Google has gone all in on the &quot;I don&#x27;t think you really meant that&quot; approach [<i>], and the hard filters have become suggestions at best.<p>--<p>[</i>] Ok, I know it&#x27;s probably because they&#x27;re switching more and more to semantic search and ML, but they could retain the hard filters on top.
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belterabout 3 years ago
Still broken after 7 months.<p>&quot;When did Neil Armstrong set foot on Mars?&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28224730" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28224730</a>
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azangruabout 3 years ago
&gt; Is this page any better than what you’d have gotten in 2010? What if it looked like this instead?<p>I can&#x27;t take seriously an example that still puts w3schools as the first search result. If I were searching for a simple answer about a language feature, I would want the search engine to give me a page from the definitive authoritative source on that language. w3schools isn&#x27;t that.
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blahyawnblahabout 3 years ago
Quotes around words have basically stopped working on Google. Which makes all three of those searches even more difficult.
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ab_testingabout 3 years ago
I would say that I have the exact opposite experience. My company is moving from IE to Edge as the default browser and I search for code issues on Edge (Bing). I usually do not like the results and then have to manually type in Google.com &gt; search for code issues as that gives me better results.
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pcurveabout 3 years ago
Google lags behind in Image search quality too, surprisingly. Bing consistently does better for me at least.<p>Google also lags behind searching for torrent content, not surprisingly.<p>In fact, I&#x27;m going to say, I use Google knowing that it sucks in many areas, just because it&#x27;s hassle to use multiple search engines, and the quality was acceptable enough that it got the job done.<p>But now, I do more searches in both Google and Duck.<p>Their Youtube search engine is starting to suck too, because it&#x27;s deliberately mixing completely unrelated items in the result.
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victor106about 3 years ago
Also noticed a recent change that Google did, if I search for e.g:- Volvo XC 60, it does not show me the Volvo XC 60 page on Volvo.com, it instead shows the ad that Volvo paid for and a bunch of other ads.<p>So they essentially don’t want you to click on the organic link that points to Volvo.com.<p>They want Volvo to know that all the traffic to them is being sent due to the Ad and not from any organic links.<p>This is what the not so evil company is doing, imagine if they are actually evil..
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big_blindabout 3 years ago
It is especially frustrating to use when Google while coding. I&#x27;ve noticed an increase in SEO sites on Google that seem to just scrape Q&amp;As from the internet and regurgitate them[0]. I&#x27;ve recently started trying other search engines like DuckDuckGo and You.com and thankfully haven&#x27;t had any issues with these sorts of sites popping up as results. It makes debugging 10x faster not having to sift through so many fake answer sites.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quick-adviser.com&#x2F;how-do-i-use-google-calendar-in-django&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quick-adviser.com&#x2F;how-do-i-use-google-calendar-in-dj...</a>
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russellbeattieabout 3 years ago
Wasn&#x27;t there just an article about how horizontal services get eaten away by focused rivals once a market has been identified? [1] Like Indeed doing job search better than Craiglist.<p>I wonder if Google isn&#x27;t ripe for that sort of competitor. I can think of a bunch of verticals that could easily get their own dedicated search site, including cooking. Bing and others are trying to beat Google in generic search, and it&#x27;ll never happen because Google defines what that means, and it&#x27;s a moving target.<p>I&#x27;m wondering why Google hasn&#x27;t done this themselves? Whitelist a bunch of decent websites and give the search page a fun URL like &quot;Cookle&quot;.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.georgesequeira.com&#x2F;writing&#x2F;zapier-the-5b-unbundling-opportunity&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.georgesequeira.com&#x2F;writing&#x2F;zapier-the-5b-unbundl...</a>
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aendrukabout 3 years ago
&gt; I already know what an Exception is, so I don&#x27;t want to scroll halfway down the page to find what I&#x27;m looking for.<p>I can’t relate to this. That example, of the first result being the canonical documentation on the subject, is a search engine working exactly the way I want.
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lovelearningabout 3 years ago
A low-hanging improvement Google can do easily: a one-line warning that its smart results may be wrong, and caution people to check all result pages and domains.<p>Given the shortened attention spans, prevalence of fake news, and evidence that featured snippets are being misused by scammers, I think it&#x27;s imperative Google condition its users not to blindly trust these top results. Instead, they&#x27;re doing the opposite.<p>An anecdote: I recently saw a phrase new to me - &quot;on the lamb&quot;. Googled &quot;on the lamb meaning&quot;. Google&#x27;s top answer was a confident claim that it&#x27;s related to Quakers and their persecution in the 17th century.<p>But that answer was in fact a downvoted one on an English StackExchange page. The top consensus answer there was different.<p>A person with a short attention span or a tendency to be satisfied with factoids that match their beliefs is likely to simply accept Google&#x27;s answers as correct and not dig deeper.<p>Such conditioning results in bigger social problems. In my country, a popular method of scamming people involves SEO-ing fake banking service numbers to the top of search results. When a person searches for &quot;X bank customer service number&quot;, Google shows these fake numbers. People trust Google&#x27;s answers, call those numbers, provide details like banking OTPs, and get scammed.<p>Google provides a &#x27;Feedback&#x27; dialog for such results, but it&#x27;s a corrective measure that relies on diligence of users and not a preventive measure.
luciusdomitiusabout 3 years ago
When it comes to programming it is not really due to superior work by the competition, but by so many people gaming the Google PR flooding the front pages with content-farm level crap. Generally for any search string producing 3-4 pages of spam, the competition would give a better results, without necessarily having any technological superiority. I cannot believe Google have not recognised this as a key risk.
Lamad123about 3 years ago
I love You and have it in my bookmarks. It gets many things right and better the current monopolist.
headsoupabout 3 years ago
From all of the discussion here, I think the most interesting thing is the seeming lack of attempts to try other browsers when clearly Google is doing poorly and creating frustration.<p>I mean in the general population I would not be surprised, but on this site the community is generally pretty tech aware to know of alternatives at least.
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asiachickabout 3 years ago
I kinda hate searching for recipes. It&#x27;s always the same 3-5 sites who optimized for seo and , no idea what words to use here, for non European influenced cooking the recipes that surface at the top are often by people that really have no clue what authentic is.<p>not a search example but it&#x27;s like Jamie Oliver&#x27;s fried rice
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bbarnabout 3 years ago
Free content is free content, but when it comes to cooking sites, some of them are just flat out scammy SEO farms. Even big names like food network, a link to the recipe I want almost always simply goes to an index page without my recipe on it on the food network site.<p>The long tell me your life story format of just wrapping a recipe that&#x27;s not original is also incredibly annoying, and sometimes I find I get tricked into just wading through ads for nothing of value. As I posted elsewhere here, I&#x27;ve become very loyal to a few high quality sites that I can count on. seriouseats.com is probably the only one I really like in web format, but honestly youtube is full of excellent 12-15 minute videos for just about any meal I can think of, and I tend to go there.
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version_fiveabout 3 years ago
That was a weird example to me. Google, although it ends up returning seo spam like w3schools, usually surfaces good SO answers, which are imo (and I think generally recognized as) the best answers that also contain discussion and caveats, if warranted. It&#x27;s considered bad practice already to just cut&#x2F;paste the SO answer unthinkingly. The only thing worse would be to do the same thing with whatever this search engine dragged out of w3schools.<p>There are lots of criticisms of google search, but in this case, I think the Google result is better - anyone looking regularly for answers is conditioned to tune out the Geeksforgeeks and w3schools and other spam, so as long as good SO answers are from and center, I think google wins
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poloteabout 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t feel like ranking results according to a query makes a lot of sense nowadays. Google works pretty well that it is almost always able to give you results that are relevant to your query.<p>But where Google fails and other search engine is to show results that are relevant to the user.<p>As some comments have said here for the query &quot;python throw exception&quot; some people want to get the official python doc when others want a snippet and when other want a tutorial, and some want other things. The fact that there is only one first result and it is the same for everyone IS the issue.<p>In my personal experience Google works very well for code queries much better than any queries on SEO topics
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SMAAARTabout 3 years ago
Even PG had chimed in about the fact that there are underserved niches within the Google Search, and I wonder if this is going to create a Craigslist effect, where companies will be successful in search niches.<p>Time to disrupt the disruptor.
tptacekabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m immediately suspicious because of the inclusion of cooking. Google&#x27;s cooking results aren&#x27;t bad because Google is bad at cooking content; they&#x27;re bad because Google is giving people what they actually want, which is lifestyle content. Most people searching for cassoulet aren&#x27;t actually looking to make a cassoulet; they just enjoy reading about it.<p>I say this as someone who is ultra-annoyed at the state of cooking results on Google (I want to make the cassoulet!). But there probably aren&#x27;t enough of me to sustain a product --- and I&#x27;m not sure I&#x27;d even like that product, because even if Google gave me the most useful practitioner content it could, it still wouldn&#x27;t be meaningfully curated. I can get recipes for anything from sites like Epicurious, but I&#x27;d sooner search for code tips on Expert Sex Change than try an Epicurious recipe. That&#x27;s what Food52 and Serious Eats are for.<p>Similarly, programming is a weird callout here. I&#x27;ve never heard of the code search engine they mention (&quot;Neeva&quot;?) and, if that name comes up a week from now, I still won&#x27;t have heard of it. Stack Overflow solved this problem pretty decisively, and they did it with a Google-first strategy, which is the reason the first example code search in this article has strong Stack Overflow results at the top of the SERP.
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molaabout 3 years ago
What annoys me most about google search is that they show at most ~500 results for any search. No way to get to results that are not surfaced . If you&#x27;re searching for something which contains terms related to heavily SEOd verticals, there&#x27;s absolutely no way to find &quot;real&quot; results. Just let me decide if the long tail is interesting, please.
joseferbenabout 3 years ago
I realized that the decline quality of Google Search is changing my habits as a programmer. I even wrote a small blog post about that: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.joseferben.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;how-google-search-is-making-me-a-better-programmer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.joseferben.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;how-google-search-is-making...</a>
terrycodyabout 3 years ago
Nowadays, Google search results full of tons of AI&#x2F;auto generated sites like KKnews.cc , which rakes in millions of IP per month with their bad quality&#x2F;copied contents, also, don&#x27;t forget those sites often got millions&#x2F;billions pages, which jammed Google database centers.<p>I have no idea why Google won&#x27;t do anything to these spam sites.
jokoonabout 3 years ago
Is that because users are starting to use other engines like DDG, meaning google have trouble learning its AI models?<p>I have to say that most of the time, when I search for something related to python, it&#x27;s difficult to land on the official doc, it&#x27;s always something like tutorial point or something else, it&#x27;s annoying. Same thing when I want to land on a wikipedia article.<p>Maybe it would be a cool thing if I could limit my search to a list of specific websites, like reddit, stackoverflow, wikipedia, official docs, cppreference.com, etc, to filter all blogspam.<p>Honestly I would actually use a search engine that lets you filter result from a list of websites, or maybe a search engine could decide to build a whitelist of trusty or quality websites (and being transparent about not letting those websites pay).<p>I would also love if tineye and google reverse image search had more options.
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noizejoyabout 3 years ago
&gt; … maybe I&#x27;m not asking the right questions,<p>You’re holding it wrong :-)
YeGoblynQueenneabout 3 years ago
Not convinced. The example of a blueberry pancake recipe has a big button titled &quot;jump to recipe&quot; a few lines in and the ads covering the page is what 99% of the internet looks like without an adblocker. That doesn&#x27;t sound like the fault of the search engine (but it is probably the fault of Google itself).<p>As to this:<p>&gt;&gt; Google rating: “This search result page is just okay. I don&#x27;t like the first search result (I already know what exceptions are in programming, so the official Python documentation is way more than I need). I have to scroll halfway down before finding the information that I want.<p>The Python documentation is the primary source for what is being searched for. I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s too much to ask to &quot;scroll halfway down&quot;. That comes across as a bit petulant, to be honest.
nextlevelwizardabout 3 years ago
Couldn&#x27;t disagree more with the code examples. Whenever I&#x27;m looking for answer that can be answered by the standard library I really do want to get the actual documentation of that language and not a random stackoverflow solution.
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dennyabrahamabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m teaching my partner to drive and I&#x27;ve noticed that Google Maps will suggest very different routes to the same destination. It&#x27;s also less accurate in estimating times, adding 5-10 minutes for its indirect routes versus taking straight paths.<p>Another thing I&#x27;ve noticed is that some directions will use businesses (&quot;take a left after McDonald&#x27;s&quot;) as landmarks in navigation. I&#x27;m beginning to believe the routing noise was introduced to allow navigational ads.<p>If the effectiveness of a core product is being compromised for monetization, is this what&#x27;s also happening to their Search?
jeffbeeabout 3 years ago
The question is whether any of those other sites could maintain quality while also <i>being Google</i>, that is, while being target #1 for every SEO bad actor, spammer, and anti-trust regulator on the planet.<p>The people at W3schools are a combination of all of the above: filthy SEO spammers who would readily make an antitrust stink if Google started just ripping off their content, but who in all likelihood don&#x27;t care if Neeva does that, if they&#x27;ve ever even heard of Neeva.
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CSMastermindabout 3 years ago
Bing is better in terms of video and photo search UI&#x2F;UX.<p>Nobody I&#x27;ve seen touches Google in terms of Geospatial though, I wish there were a decent competitor.
londons_exploreabout 3 years ago
I just wish Google would expand its index.<p>It is reasonably common that I search for a string from a bit of code and find &quot;0 results&quot;, even though that code is up on GitHub (and probably mirrored to a bunch of other sites). GitHub search finds it fine.<p>Same for searching for stuff on my own personal blog. Only about half of pages are indexed, even though many have been there years.
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WesternWindabout 3 years ago
Google also isn&#x27;t great at surfacing genuine product reviews that aren&#x27;t just people reiterating amazon reviews with referral links and SEO. Like even stuff reviewed by reputable websites somehow loses out regularly.<p>If I want someone&#x27;s actual opinion and people I know don&#x27;t have one, I have to check reddit or metafilter.
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Ozzie_osmanabout 3 years ago
This is somewhat tangential but for a lot of quick programming questions, I&#x27;m finding I don&#x27;t even need a search engine.<p>I just use Github Copilot.<p>For example, if I wanted to remember how to throw an exception I&#x27;d just write that as a comment and let Copilot fill in the syntax. Between that and official docs, don&#x27;t need a ton else.
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jpalomakiabout 3 years ago
Sometimes I actually like to long and comprehensive recipe articles. Like compare an article from Serious Eats about pasta carbonara to just getting a 10 line recipe. Both serve their own purpose.<p>Same applies to programming. Sometimes I want the one liner from w3schools, sometimes I’m willing to consume the reference documentation.
fraysabout 3 years ago
you.com is great. Will also check out Neeva.<p>Fantastic article, thanks for sharing.
noduermeabout 3 years ago
I&#x27;m just mad I read four paragraphs before realizing this was a sales pitch. Damn my pathetic human brain meat.
forgotmypw17about 3 years ago
Three areas where Google lags behind yesterday&#x27;s Google:<p>Displaying actual search results<p>Searching for what I actually typed into the search field<p>Page load times
skilledabout 3 years ago
I honestly don’t understand why W3Schools is a top site in Google. I blocked it after I realized all the site provides is a few lines of code snippets that supposedly explain how a certain CSS function works.<p>Even with activity tracking enabled, Google thinks I am searching for one-liners opposed to in-depth articles.
secretsatanabout 3 years ago
I absolutely detest the google optimised recipes, they&#x27;re mostly just filler and you have to scroll all the way to the end to find the recipe. I just go to bbc food which has an excellent db of recipes, and they use correct temperatures for the oven too.
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id02009about 3 years ago
I wonder if the constant cat and mouse play between Google algorithm updates and dark SEO optimizers could be fixed by a plethora of search engines without one specific dominant one?
zeropabout 3 years ago
I recently moved to edge from chrome because of high CPU issues with chrome. With edge I started using Bing. I found search results were better in many scenarios.
funstuff007about 3 years ago
The home page for this site looks like it was designed by Stripe in their &quot;gradient all the things fashion&quot;. Gradient Memphis?
calderwoodraabout 3 years ago
I use the grepper chrome extension which solves the coding vertical - it embeds search results in the Google search results
adrielyongabout 3 years ago
anyone else find it so hard to find basic apparel and shoes? All my search results return me known brands with high ad spend. Recently started to go to reddit male fashion advice to look for crowdsourced recommendations but that&#x27;s fairly time consuming.<p>Anyone else has other ways?
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bruhhhabout 3 years ago
not that it doesnt have valid points, but, this entire article seems like an ad for You.com
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supramouseabout 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t know why google needs to lead in any of these spaces
raincomabout 3 years ago
Maybe, these three areas don’t generate much ad revenue!!
domatic1about 3 years ago
Tiktok is amazing for cooking ideas&#x2F;recipes
hlbjhblbljibabout 3 years ago
And image search.
alphabet9000about 3 years ago
the pointless animations on google search make the site truly unbearable to use, unless you have ublock to disable the animations. i can&#x27;t believe it still has those animations, do people at google even use their own site?<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jollo.org&#x2F;LNT&#x2F;public&#x2F;google-animations.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jollo.org&#x2F;LNT&#x2F;public&#x2F;google-animations.html</a>
Cthulhu_about 3 years ago
From the article:<p>&gt; What happened to page quality factors in ranking?<p>I&#x27;ve been wondering this myself. Whatever happened to penalizing webpages with intrusive popups? Or those that show different content to users than to search engines (paywalls)? (I&#x27;m sure the latter is because of lawsuits). And many years ago, there was SEO advice about not duplicating content from other sites, but these days, half the search results for e.g. Go related questions are blogspam copy&#x2F;pastes from Stack Overflow.<p>Google Search used to be stricter.
raldiabout 3 years ago
And video game walkthroughs
jdrcabout 3 years ago
and images
jbhouseabout 3 years ago
very interesting. I&#x27;m going to start using Neeva tomorrow at work
JSONderuloabout 3 years ago
you.com is good for coding, especially the SO results.
wandaabout 3 years ago
I mean, when you think about it, it&#x27;s kind of obvious that an entity extracting revenue from selling advertisement impressions is not going to produce a very useful search engine — it&#x27;s going to produce a search engine that maximises advertisement impressions. Either by encouraging the advertisers to game the search engine, or by simply preferring the paying advertisers&#x27; results, or both, on some level.<p>So you end up with a Google that prioritises 2-3 promoted results above actual search results (some of which represent the opposite of what you&#x27;re looking for<i>!</i>) and everything beneath is either a massive mainstream content factory, a Reddit&#x2F;SO&#x2F;Quora thread, or any one of a billion terrible blogs&#x2F;news hosts that contain no content or simply regurgitate someone else&#x27;s content with adverts, modals, etc galore.<p>In fact, the only reason why Google&#x27;s search engine is fairly safe in its product space — the considerable head start on potential disruptors notwithstanding — is that there apparently exists no comparably successful method to extract revenue from running a search engine.<p>Not <i>that</i> many people are realistically going to pay a monthly fee to have a Google without the noise, despite the amount of noise there is (I probably would). And let&#x27;s face it, if there was a market for that, Google Premium would probably exist already. Talk about vertical integration if they did though. Help pollute the ocean of the internet then sell people premium membership to sail across it rather than swim in it.<p>One of the biggest things that Google did wrong was try to act as curator. The moment they start screening results by compliance with Google standards, introducing stuff like AMPHTML etc, anything like that is the moment they make themselves no different to Facebook, Twitter and every other walled garden community.<p>The internet is supposed to be about broadcasting information, about exploration and chasing the horizon — not locking information behind forced memberships of social networks and paywalls, tardis-like megastructures where you&#x27;re encouraged to become locked in yourself.<p>All that should matter is that a webpage&#x27;s content matches a query. Not whether their website matches some random person&#x27;s idea of good UX etc. Does the content match the query. That&#x27;s it. Refined obviously to assess whether a page&#x27;s content is too insanely well matched (old SEO bullshit) and maybe include that domain rank stuff (if it was based on conversions so it&#x27;s self-moderating rather than Google saying &quot;[majorpublication].com is better than [randomblog].com because big business website &gt; random person&#x27;s website&quot;)<p>Google could have been worse, of course. AMPHTML is pretty much over, right? They track your data, yes — but show me the company that doesn&#x27;t do that. Apple? Apple probably do, they just track less or whatever. Just because it&#x27;s in the marketing doesn&#x27;t necessarily mean that they don&#x27;t do it, it just means that they know people will buy their shit if they <i>say</i> they don&#x27;t, or make a point of doing it <i>less</i>.<p>I don&#x27;t blame Google for the way their search engine has turned out. As others have said, a big part of it is the sheer amount of noise out there now. But more importantly, the way capitalism works causes most companies to produce increasingly shitty products over time. This eventually creates the opportunity for someone new to release a great product, and eventually their great product becomes a good product, and eventually that will become a shitty dividend-paying product, and the cycle will continue.<p>(to clarify, the opportunity isn&#x27;t just there for competitors, the opportunity also exists for Google to sort their shit out too).
bspearabout 3 years ago
There&#x27;s more: medical, crypto
TheRealNGeniusabout 3 years ago
lol self promo blog post bashing Google while saying they&#x27;re better
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