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Show HN: Learn iPhone and iPad development in less than an hour

163 pointsby sidwynover 13 years ago

25 comments

6renover 13 years ago
Just from the first sample (<a href="http://diveintoios.com/samples" rel="nofollow">http://diveintoios.com/samples</a>), it seems a bit heavy, listing many things that aren't necessary to get started. Customers can get that detail from a reference book/website (e.g. you could supply it as a supplementary pdf).<p>I think for a video, people would like the experience of being guided through by someone knowledgeable. They don't want a book; and they don't want a dry lecture. They want a substitute for an expert friend at their elbow. You don't need to impress with exhaustive detail - a beginner can't absorb it anyway.<p>So, for example, just say "⌘B to build and run it", instead of the several commands you go through. And not list all those methods for UIViewController. Instead, start with what <i>is</i> a UIViewController, in terms of the user-experience. i.e. why would you want one? Then, once the listener is motivated, introduce how to use it with an example.<p>I'm reminded of Steve Jobs, always thinking of the user's point of view (not the complete technical details); and using huge fonts with a small amount of text on slides.<p>But... honestly... maybe some people want <i>exactly</i> what you are doing. (if your younger self would have benefited from it, that's strong evidence that someone else would too.) Including the accent, your youth, audio quality etc. For each person that X is a negative, there can be another for whom it's a positive. Target those people who value what you value. You don't need to please all the people - just <i>really</i> please a small number, and that's enough for a one-man venture. Once you have a foothold, you can broaden your scope.<p>(Of course, if you strongly agree with some of the suggestions here, then they are now your values - and you should adopt them!)
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rb2k_over 13 years ago
This might seem a bit rude, especially because it takes a lot of work to launch something like this, but I'll try to give really honest feedback. So please don't take this as an attack on the project, but rather an unfiltered 'brain dump':<p>I personally wouldn't be compelled to buy it mainly because:<p>- I hear a "non-native" accent. I'm not a native english speaker myself, but for some reason this makes it very hard for me to listen over a longer period of time. I have the same problem with podcasts. This might be something very particular to my tastes though.<p>- The trainer sounds too young. I love to have people teach me things that have "been around". Somebody that knows Smalltalk/Lisp/... might be able to explain to me WHY things are done in a certain way as opposed to HOW they are done. Looking a bit at the linkedin profile behind the site creator (<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sidwyn-koh/26/4/495" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sidwyn-koh/26/4/495</a>), I'll have to say that it doesn't really change my impression.<p>- The audio quality of the samples isn't that great. It's either audio compression artefacts or a bad microphone. Especially at that price, I'd like something as basic as the audio quality to be good.<p>- The website logo looks like MS Paint art
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webwrightover 13 years ago
This seems a little spendy for video tutorials (peepcode is a good benchmark). Have you considered breaking them up into smaller bits and selling the same $50 content for 5 blocks @ $10 apiece?<p>This would also obviate some of the risk for the buyer? I.e. if they buy the first one and hate it, they aren't out $50.<p>(btw, don't get me wrong- $50 is CHEAP if you guys do a good job-- I'm wearing my marketeer hat with this comment)
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ig1over 13 years ago
Isn't "Dive Into" a trademark of Mark Pilgrim ? - trading off of someone-else's brand is kind of tacky.
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simonbrownover 13 years ago
I'm not interested in iOS development, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think it should provide a brief introduction for free to allow people to evaluate it. Also, I assume it's possible to upgrade packages by paying the difference?
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8ig8over 13 years ago
Does Mark Pilgrim have any rights on "Dive into..."? For example Dive into Python, Dive into HTML5.
localhost3000over 13 years ago
not to say this is the case here, but i'm always cautious with things like this where the main selling points are the credentials of the instructor (see 'about' section)...if the guy is such a badass app developer why is he trying to make money as an instructor? shouldn't he be getting rich building...well, apps?
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jeffreymcmanusover 13 years ago
So, congrats on launching this, but I have to say, it's going to be very challenging for you to compete against lynda.com at this price point. They have a terrific iOS instructor and a broad library of professionally-produced videos on this, and their cost is $25/month.<p>There's plenty of room to compete (and I wouldn't suggest that you attempt to compete on price, since video-only learning becomes commoditized quickly), but if you're going to be competitive you will have to convey some sort of value other than "learn how to code in iOS with our video!!1!"
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sidwynover 13 years ago
Hi guys, launched a service to kickstart iOS development and beat the learning curve. We provide short and succinct tutorials to get you started. Would love to hear your feedback/comments. Thanks!<p>P.S. Use 'hackernews' upon checkout for a 10% discount :)
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gacekover 13 years ago
Since you're here - sidwyn - Why would I use your video tutorials instead of Stanfords iOS course from iTunes university?
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papaverover 13 years ago
A few suggestions:<p>- Kill the power point like slides in the videos, they are not very useful. Such information is better represented as text, so it can be searched and easily referenced.<p>- Lower the price for the video's they are way too high. I imagine 99% of this information can be easily found on google with a simple search.<p>- The videos look unprofessional to me, seems like they need an editing pass.<p>You may get more traction if you release the basic package for free. This allows users to evaluate the videos and buy more when they want the intermediate and advanced courses. At the current price I wasn't even enticed to look at the sample video after seeing the $50 price point for a basic package. Good luck.
curtover 13 years ago
Move a sample video to the landing page or put a big "view first video for free" button on the page. You want a persons eyes to be drawn to 3 things: logo/call to action, packages, and the sample.
norswapover 13 years ago
Reminded me of this : <a href="http://norvig.com/21-days.html" rel="nofollow">http://norvig.com/21-days.html</a>
drKarlover 13 years ago
Just bought the Complete Package, 99.70€ with the discount. I know Java, Scala, C, C++, Python, HTML5/CSS3 (Haml/Sass), Javascript/jQuery, C# and Unity3D but have never coded with Objective-C, let's see if I can really beat the learning curve with your videos!
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stevedericoover 13 years ago
Adding an embedded 5 minute free getting started video, could improve your conversion rate.
nhangenover 13 years ago
The problem I have with most iOS material is that it's either too simple, or too advanced, often leaving no room for those that understand the concepts but need help connecting the dots between the easy and the advanced.<p>Provided the OP actually knows what he's doing, and there's no reason to doubt that, I'm glad to see him doing this, as I believe that the more material on the market the better. I like learning from different teachers, even if they cover the same thing. That said, this was a bit pricey for my tastes, but that's only because I've spent so much prior to today.
joshsharpover 13 years ago
I don't like the idea of attempting to build on the "Dive Into" brand without offering the materials online for free, as Mark Pilgrim has (or did, before he removed it all). It feels opportunistic.
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raneover 13 years ago
What a surprise. Only a commercial product would advertise learning software development in "less than an hour".
subaruWRX55over 13 years ago
I'm new here. Can someone explain to me how a website advertisement gets into top rating in Hacker News?
austonover 13 years ago
Are the courses progressive? Meaning, in order to do Premium is Basic required. Or can I buy Premium &#38; learn everything in Basic?
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ScottMFisherover 13 years ago
$50 is too high. I'm pretty sure you'd more than double the sales if you halved the price. Try doing some A/B testing on this.
zubr1768over 13 years ago
How does this differ from the Stanford course?
noduermeover 13 years ago
Ha. The last time you could make a full $49 by putting something in the app store was the time these guys lost their contract with a western company.<p>Listen... you hear that? That's the Titanic creaking.
m0wfoover 13 years ago
Love how this ranks immediately above Jeff Atwood's "Serving at the Pleasure of the King". HN kids are as fickle as they are retarded.
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sharemeover 13 years ago
Lok guys, objectiveC + iOS UI apis is somewhat harder than mobile java..know befoe you buy