Ask HN: Becoming a Director of Engineering

28 pointsby eagleheadalmost 3 years ago

What tips do you have for someone looking to become a director of engineering at a large tech company. Should I look into courses at Stanford or MIT or how do I go about finding a mentor?

9 comments

softwaredougalmost 3 years ago

One key I think is controlling your emotional reactivity & gaining perspective on issues.I think when you are a junior IC, you can easily see things in black and white. You can get worked up over perceived issues, judging too quickly, and can easily see things from an us vs them perspective. You need to be able to gain the full perspective on an issue. The saying "be curious not judgmental" is very front and center to engineering leadership.So for example, when a coworker rants to you, don't amplify their rant. Try to de-amplify it. Ask questions, be curious about the other side, try to listen and validate, but don't take too much stock in their rant. This keeps you in a more objective, thoughtful problem-solving mindset, rather than the reptilian brain that responds with a 'fight or flight' fashion.This is important for moving up in the leadership ladder because(a) Emotional immaturity will stress out your superiors. You're seen as someone that needs to be 'managed' not someone productively getting your work done(b) It helps you better see a solution to a problem in a more objective way, not a punitive way(c) It creates blame-free leadership, where you focus on the dynamics between people and systems, not how one person screws upWhen you can gather these facts and think about issues objectively, then you can create more informed opinions about the direction the team(s) should take, lead more effectively, and include everyones input getting much more buy-in.

GianFabienalmost 3 years ago

I am not a director of engineering at a large tech company. But looking at the profiles of those who are, I get the impression that in addition to having an amazing CV, those people have an excellent professional network. To an outsider it might look like a meritocracy, but it is most positively more about who you know, and how you connect socially, etc.@drdunce, it really does depend where you are starting from. Regardless, start hustling your network and build up an incredible profile. A PhD + MBA might be useful but most certainly not sufficient.

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dyejealmost 3 years ago

It depends on where you’re starting from. In general, the easiest way is to join a smaller, high growth organization where you can grow into the role and then transfer to a large company. I recommend being very clear about your expectations upfront so you don’t end up somewhere that never could accommodate that growth. You may have to go above a Director role (e.g. Sr Director or VP) in order to transfer to a director role at some companies (e.g. FAANG).Alternatively, you could join a large tech company and try to grind your way up the ladder. That will depend a lot on your ability to navigate complicated politics and deliver on impactful projects.

BamFordalmost 3 years ago

1. Forget about schooling as the checkbox to get you to Director Eng as you'll be more likely self-focused, and more disappointed when people don't check the promotion box along with your personal ambition. Your personal ambition will be a motivator -- to no one but you. Now, get more schooling and shut up about it - people will recognize it in your words and action.2. Understand that responsibility and authority are inseparable. Be prepared to take fullest possible responsibility of results (good/bad/ugly) in exchange for true authority both formal and more importantly, informal.3. Have a decent (B or better) set of relevant technical skills and then, consider it malpractice to further develop those skills on your team. You're now a developer of them.4. Forget about your career, rather for your team members, figure out how you will AMP their careers - more Autonomy, more Mastery of their craft, and more Purpose (AMP).5. Work on your RELATIONSHIP/LEADERSHIP skills by determining honestly what type of leader you are and will become. Hint, servant leaders, when necessary, will make severe personal sacrifices for their team members, not throw them under the bus to those higher up. They will love you for it.6. Work on your communication skills / Lead some project meetings whether internal or external and involve everyone you can, while showcasing their contributions.7. Develop a behavioral Code of Honor with Values congruent with those of the organization at large that you, first, and everyone on your team will subscribe to, and expect from each other. This is about Trust, particularly when the kitchen gets hot - and yes, the kitchen will get hot.8. Without pissing off your current boss, craft an approach to get to someone who has the authority to make such a call and then, ASK....ASK. "if at some point, I was a developer and steward of a team with these attributes - A, B, C to this organization, what would we ideally help you accomplish over the next 18 months, and how would you know it was successful?9. Oh and generally (not cause I know you) reduce the use of the word "I, Me, My" by like 80%.

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aristofunalmost 3 years ago

This is something you don’t find any scalable and predictable strategy to get to.There seems to be no causality (let alone stable correlation) between you getting this position and your education, years of experience etc etc.I guess the best bet as with startups would be to just maximize your chances by getting on board of anything you expect to rapidly grow soon (and you feel you’d be able to handle the growth).Be it a startup or a department in a big company where you feel you can make it.

jdwyahalmost 3 years ago

Director is where you really need to expand beyond the engineering domain and understand and speak the language of the business. As an engineering manager we can still get away with really focusing on execution. Making it work. Making the team work. Interacting with the other disciplines that we are adjacent to, but really operating from the mindset of engineering.Director has got to be able to step back from that. Understand and identify when the issue isn’t in engineering. Understand how to effectively collaborate and innovate with groups that are on much different cadences and timelines than we’re used to. I think <a href="https://www.reforge.com/blog/overcome-the-tech-strategy-spir" rel="nofollow">https://www.reforge.com/blog/overcome-the-tech-strategy-spir</a>... has a lot of very relevant thoughts. (Disclaimer: I have been the EIR for the course related to this post).

drduncealmost 3 years ago

I think the journey to the destination probably depends a lot on where you're starting out from.For an existing/established large tech company - I'd imagine STEM PhD + MBA, 10 years experience in a senior management role.

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Schnitzalmost 3 years ago

It’s really not that hard. If you do well enough as an IC, are respectful, reliable and make sure to help others instead of bashing them you’ll be offered a manager role. Then all you need to do is put in the effort to learn your new responsibilities, read books and blogs and seek out feedback and you’ll get promoted over the course of a few years. Make sure you are at a growing company so that manager and director roles open up regularly and you’ll be fine. You most definitely don’t need an MBA or other degree/courses in advance.