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Where are all the crypto use cases?

143 pointsby neutrinoqalmost 3 years ago

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tptacekalmost 3 years ago
If these are powerful use cases, you probably won&#x27;t need to inform us about them; we&#x27;ll all be using Filecoin instead of S3, or Radicle instead of Gitlab. Instead of &quot;here are some popular use cases&quot;, you&#x27;ll say &quot;you rely on crypto every day, in order to access this structured knowledge graph thing everyone uses&quot;. If replacing S3 and Github are the strongest cases you can make, I&#x27;m dubious: I don&#x27;t doubt there are people who really want to replace S3, but I very much do doubt that there&#x27;s a critical mass of them.<p>The question being put to crypto isn&#x27;t &quot;can you come up with something that it can do&quot;; it&#x27;s &quot;can you come up with something that will see mainstream use that eclipses the toxic speculation that&#x27;s perceived to characterize every crypto application&quot;.<p>I don&#x27;t claim to have a dispositive argument here, but I also don&#x27;t think crypto advocates do either.
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Aunchealmost 3 years ago
&gt; Filecoin - A commodity market for storage that&#x27;s currently 0.0011% the cost of S3.<p>This actually proves that there isn&#x27;t a real use case of Filecoin aside from speculation. Amazon isn&#x27;t making 99.9989% profit margins on S3, nor is it possible for Filecoin to be a hundred thousand times more efficient than S3. This means that Filecoin&#x27;s storage product is so uncompetitive that you need to subsidize it a hundred thousand times just to get people to use it.<p>&gt; Toucan - Tradable Carbon Credits<p>All the other use cases listed look like parodies of crypto products with plenty of buzzwords, and no real substance. However, this one is especially nonsensical. From their website:<p>&gt; Working with top DeFi protocols and the community we enable carbon credits to be used as collateral, yields and money, as well as a huge range of novel applications.<p>That&#x27;s literally missing the point of buying carbon credits. The only use case for buying carbon credits to blackhole them immediately, so that you can feel like you&#x27;re offsetting your emissions. There is no reason to resell them. Even if you did want to resell them because you overestimated your carbon footprint and have some left &quot;unused&quot;, no buyer has any reason to believe you. If there is anything carbon credits need, it&#x27;s more centralization and trust, not less.<p>Excellent relevant Wendover video about carbon credits: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=AW3gaelBypY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=AW3gaelBypY</a>
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AlexandrBalmost 3 years ago
This article seems like it&#x27;s reaching. I don&#x27;t think &quot;money&quot; accurately describes what cryptocurrency <i>is</i> because most people who use USD don&#x27;t trade on the FOREX markets, but most cryptocurrency users are primarily focused on the exchange rate of BTC to USD, not it&#x27;s functionality as a currency. It&#x27;s better described as a security, and while it can be used as a medium of exchange its volatility can make that expensive or inconvenient.<p>As for this:<p>&gt; Right now, you can take out a loan without involving a bank from one of the many crypto lending protocols. You put up some collateral and can take out a loan for extremely cheap, because there isn&#x27;t a bank in the middle to take a cut.<p>The reason loans on the blockchain are cheap is not because there&#x27;s no middle-man but because they&#x27;re over-collateralized so there&#x27;s <i>no risk</i>. One of the reasons the bank charges you interest is that they&#x27;re taking a risk that you will not pay back the loan. AFAIK this is not possible in DeFi.
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woopwoopalmost 3 years ago
&gt; Crypto is successful at being money. If you don&#x27;t believe me, then I&#x27;m happy to sell you the laptop I&#x27;m writing this on for 1,000 ETH instead of 1,000 USD.<p>Ford F-150s are successful at being money. If you don&#x27;t believe me, then I&#x27;m happy to sell you the laptop I&#x27;m writing this on for 1,000 Ford F-150s instead of 1,000 USD.
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bruce511almost 3 years ago
He misses the two main use cases, and the two things that crypto are used for that dwarfs everything else.<p>A) it&#x27;s a great speculative asset. Huge volatility in value means fortunes can be made (and lost) in days not lifetimes. All those crypto ads on the radio talk about &quot;investing&quot; in Bitcoin - marketing it as an asset, not about using it as currency. It appears to be a zero sum game. I&#x27;ll make no judgement about its actual value as an asset.<p>B) it makes illegal transactions safer by removing the need to be physically present to receive cash. This simplifies things like drug deals, and of course with digital goods makes things like ransomware possible.<p>Crypto already has two killer apps, it&#x27;s just not the killer apps they wanted it to be.
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scott_walmost 3 years ago
The entire thesis of this article is nonsense. He sets up a strawman to knock down.<p>When people say “there are no use cases for crypto,” they’re actually saying “there are no use cases that aren’t solved better elsewhere.” This is the question he needs to answer and he doesn’t do so.<p>Looking at the money example, he says he’ll sell his laptop for Etherium. That’s fine but if nobody is willing to buy it with Etherium, he can’t sell his laptop and Etherium is de facto not being used for money.<p>Because he always skips this crucial last part, he never proves his argument.
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chowellsalmost 3 years ago
This is the strawman-iest strawman I&#x27;ve seen in a long time. By this logic, there&#x27;s a use case for getting stabbed in a back alley. Some people need surgery, after all.<p>The proper question is what does cryptocurrency do <i>better</i> than alternatives? On the whole... I think bypassing financial controls to enable ransomware is <i>not</i> an improvement on the previous system.
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uncomputationalmost 3 years ago
I really wanted to agree but none of these claims really stand up to scrutiny in my opinion.<p>&gt; Few technologies have a clear start point. Did the internet start in Tim Berners-Lee in 1990? Or in 1982 with TCP&#x2F;IP? Or in the 1970&#x27;s with CYCLADES? Or in 1969 with ARPANET? Or in 1965 with the invention of packet switching? Or in 1950&#x27;s with time-sharing?<p>No, the web started in 1989 with Berners-Lee’s original proposal. The internet started in 1983 with TCP&#x2F;IP (the Internet Protocol) being used for ARPANET. These are common, widely cited timeframes.<p>&gt; Can you distinguish the internet from computers or information theory?<p>Yes, the internet is a network of networks made up of computers. A computer is not the internet. Information theory is the theoretical study of information and entropy started by Claude Shannon.<p>&gt; If you don&#x27;t believe me, then I&#x27;m happy to sell you the laptop I&#x27;m writing this on for 1,000 ETH instead of 1,000 USD.<p>Great, I’ll help you move house for a pizza, but that doesn’t make pizza money. The fact of the matter is, I can’t buy hardly anything with cryptocurrency except other cryptocurrencies. This is made more difficult even for companies that want to offer goods for crypto by the fact there is no stable exchange rate to USD.<p>&gt; Right now, you can take out a loan without involving a bank from one of the many crypto lending protocols.<p>Lol, was this written before or after the collapse of Luna, Three Arrow Capital, and Celsius? Not to mention the numerous bridge hacks. I guess technically, sure, this is a valid (ie possible) use case of crypto, but not a strong one.<p>&gt; You may point to hacks<p>I would argue a malfunctioning lending protocol is as good as no lending protocol, but again, this is a matter of opinion.<p>&gt; Filecoin<p>Interesting use case for sure, but unfortunately it seems difficult to participate (and I initially had interest in doing so). IPFS is much further along development-wise. You may say “oh well this is still a use case of crypto” but… not really. I mean sure I can get paid in $FIL but if $FIL is useless in the real world (basically my earlier critique that it is not money) then why would I want to get paid in it?<p>Overall, I want to agree and perhaps it’s just a couple years too early, but as of now, this is too strong of a claim to make, or at least too weak of an argument to support it.
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petesergeantalmost 3 years ago
&gt; cheap loans<p>a loan that might double in the amount of fiat you have to pay back isn’t cheap, it’s nuts. Also there’s significant cost converting to and from fiat to take it out<p>&gt; filecoin<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;randomoracle.wordpress.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;07&#x2F;filecoin-storj-and-the-problem-with-decentralized-storage&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;randomoracle.wordpress.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;07&#x2F;filecoin-storj...</a><p>&gt; LabDAO Toucan Golden.xyz<p>Why not just a centralised database though?<p>&gt; Radicle.xyz<p>OK sure, if you have code that GitHub won’t accept, then this looks ok, but presumably it either has a mechanism to stop CSAM on it, at which point it can also be censored, or the Feds are coming for you if you run a node…<p>&gt; Helium - Incentivization layer for the LoRaWAN network<p>Some kind of payment mechanism for sharing Wi-Fi? I didn’t have time to dig deep enough, but almost certainly a centralised authority would work better because it almost always does<p>&gt; NFTs<p>Better handled by a central authority, and looks like OpenSea is already acting as one re stolen apes etc<p>&gt; A blockchain is not a database … A blockchain is an escrow without a third party<p>And the lack of use-cases for that is the reason there are so few use-cases for blockchain
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latchkeyalmost 3 years ago
Excellent article for once.<p>Another one is decentralized compute.<p>AWS pioneered taking unused compute and commoditizing it. Well, there is a lot of unused compute in the world and building ways to take advantage of it is part of what I see &#x27;web3&#x27; as being about.<p>PoW mining, however &quot;wasteful&quot;, is still a great example of allowing anyone to effectively participate in the validation of transactions and getting rewarded for doing so. If you think of miners as a business, the &#x27;customers&#x27; for miners are people submitting transactions, yet these business don&#x27;t actually &#x27;know&#x27; their customer at all. That&#x27;s web3 decentralization (not silly NFTs).<p>Protocols like Akash allow anyone to effectively run K8S on their own infrastructure and get paid to do so... all the while, decentralizing the compute away from central locations like AWS &#x2F; GCP. I personally find that concept fascinating and super cool.
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mrweaselalmost 3 years ago
Firstly: I’m annoyed that crypto now seems to be synonymous with “blockchain”, rather than cryptography.<p>Secondly: Most of the blockchain use-case feel a little like the argument for Bittorrent. It’s not that you can’t use it for sensibel purposes, but when you do you’re solving problem most people don’t have.
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behnamohalmost 3 years ago
Most comments argue to the contrary of what the article lists as potential use-cases. I must say that the problem with crypto is not so much about its foundation (decentralized, blockchain) but rather the very fact that it promotes a broken business model that neither solves old problems nor offers new problems with novel solutions. I think any computation system that gets coupled with monetary incentives is potentially going to self-defeat its purpose one way or another. Crypto just makes it a lot easier for agents to game the system and lead it to corruption. Yes, the traditional financial institutions are not perfect either, but crypto takes their very worst (i.e., market manipulators) and provides them with a platform with far less regulation and much more reach.
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hattmallalmost 3 years ago
The best use case I know of is Handshake. A domain name system that would be resistant to seizures and censorship. Domains are purchased and a fee is paid which gives a sustainable reason for the coin to have value.<p>Though I think the same thing could be accomplished on Ethereum with web3.<p>Of course running your own or shared DNS can have the same value, but I think Blockchain is a legitimate case for decentralizing domain names and having a record that can only be modified by the true owner.
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jspaetzelalmost 3 years ago
Crypto is more akin to a fundraising strategy then a specific technology. It&#x27;s like calling a company &quot;tech&quot; and hoping that gets you more dollar signs.<p>A use case like Helium sounds useful, but using a Blockchain doesn&#x27;t necessarily add obvious value. The fundamentals don&#x27;t make sense, you pay for power in dollars but you&#x27;re paid back in monopoly money. It makes it harder for users to understand the underlying costs... But then again, maybe ambiguity is the value proposition.
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Nursiealmost 3 years ago
This is packed full of odd arguments -<p>&gt; Crypto is successful at being money. If you don&#x27;t believe me, then I&#x27;m happy to sell you the laptop I&#x27;m writing this on for 1,000 ETH instead of 1,000 USD.<p>How about 1000 kilos of gold? Or 1000 1 Carat Diamonds? Does that make diamonds good money?<p>&gt; Right now, you can take out a loan without involving a bank from one of the many crypto lending protocols.<p>Yes, but you over-collateralise that loan, swapping tokens around to do so. It doesn&#x27;t look a lot like lending, it looks more like obfuscation of naive&#x2F;fraudulent claims of productivity mixed with a game of musical chairs. And right now loan platforms in the crypto space are in all sorts of trouble. Look at &quot;Solend&quot; which appears to have suffered from a large token-holder taking out loans as a way to exit a cryptocurrency that was traded too thinly to cash out directly.<p>Multiple DeFi lending platforms are mid-collapse, right now.<p>I really agree with this -<p>&gt; In other words, crypto&#x27;s use case is the one that it claims: decentralization.<p>It&#x27;s just that that use-case is far less universal, useful or desirable than we have been lead to believe by the cryptocurrency hype factory. For the most part nobody cares, the people putting money into cryptocurrency just want somewhere to gamble, the people not into that aspect are not lining up to use the products of this space, because of that promise. And in many cases (irreversible payments with no oversight!) it&#x27;s actively bad.<p>&gt; &quot;after 13 years, there are still no use cases for crypto&quot; is not a rational fact<p>How about &quot;after 13 years there are still no use cases for crypto that aren&#x27;t done better without the crypto aspect, or aren&#x27;t just fucking stupid to begin with?&quot;<p>Because sure, there are some things you <i>can</i> do with blockchains and smart contracts, but honestly, why the hell would you?
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TameAntelopealmost 3 years ago
&gt; It&#x27;s wrong though. Or at least, it doesn&#x27;t stand up to scrutiny because it isn&#x27;t falsifiable. If you firmly believe this claim, there&#x27;s no new information you could learn that would cause you to update your belief towards the negative.<p>Point of order, but &quot;There are no use cases for crypto.&quot; is <i>absolutely</i> a falsifiable statement, and in fact this article goes on to falsify it.<p>Even &quot;There are no <i>powerful</i> use cases for crypto.&quot; is falsifiable along the same lines (it&#x27;s arguable if the article successfully falsifies this statement, however).
mbar84almost 3 years ago
The only use case for blockchain is money. Everything else is a scam. We only need one money, the one with the most dominant network effects. Right now, if it every happens, that money looks like it will be Bitcoin. This will take a while. How long it takes depends not so much on Bitcoin itself, but on how bad the competition undermines their use case as money.<p>In the meantime, people may find it surprising that there is indeed no other use case for the most inefficient database man has ever conceived, other than the on e it was explicitly designed for.
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t_mannalmost 3 years ago
This is written with the idea in mind that a lot of HN users are both informed about and highly skeptical of crypto&#x2F;web3 (my impression). I actually understand much of the critique, but I think it&#x27;s not giving credit for a few things that are cool about smart contracts: a) You can enter arbitrary (computable) binding commitments with strangers. This is powerful, it makes all the difference between non-cooperative and cooperative game theory. b) You can separate the creation of web services from their upkeep. You can deploy a smart contract as a weekend project and it&#x27;ll stay available for the community to use without you having to spend further resources. A plain smart contract without a web front-end is admittedly not user-friendly to access, but there are already several projects trying to provide a front end in a similar fashion (eg blockchains meant for hosting web apps, or uploading apps to IPFS).<p>Is any of that strictly <i>needed</i>, in a developed country with trustworthy institutions? Well, we could argue. But I think hackers agree that those are at least cool things to tinker with.<p>(And to those worried about environmental impact: the above doesn&#x27;t apply to Bitcoin, and once Ethereum has switched to PoS, none of the relevant smart-contract-enabled chains will have that problem anymore)
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WheelsAtLargealmost 3 years ago
Helium as an incentive for the LoRaWAN network is the killer app for crypto. People are building a world wide LoT network. It&#x27;s all decentralized. It&#x27;s all being created by people who earn helium as a reward. I think the same model can be duplicated for other needs. If we give it time we&#x27;ll see more solutions being created using the same model.
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crypticaalmost 3 years ago
Unfortunately, all the promising use cases are suppressed and kept from the public. It feels as though people are not allowed to invest in them. On the other hand, obvious scams and Ponzis get a lot of attention and funding. IMO, established interest groups are working hard and investing a lot of money to discredit the space. That&#x27;s why they only allow shitcoins and scams to gain traction.<p>This might sound strange or far-fetched, but many people who have been in this industry for a few years share a similar perspective.<p>If you think the economy is behaving increasingly insane, it&#x27;s because it is. That&#x27;s what you get when some entities have access to unlimited fiat. They spend most of it on anti-competitive activities.
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obarthelemyalmost 3 years ago
Is he actually closing the discussion on crypto as money because eth&gt;usd ? Does this mean we should be using Berkshire shares as money ? Or platinum ? Or are there criteria besides &quot;value&quot; that make something good as &quot;money&quot; ? Shouldn&#x27;t he be looking into those instead of whining for half his blurb that people are being simplistic, while being incredibly simplistic himself ?<p>Is price the only criteria for file storage ?N What about performance, resilience, availability...<p>Are in-game NFT any more tradable than regular in-game items ?<p>His blurb actually took me a step further towards thinking that crypto is just a bunch of baselss claims. He sure does string them enthusiastically, with zero critical thinking.
bowsamicalmost 3 years ago
For me it&#x27;s just a waiting game. I&#x27;m not going to start the next big crypto project, and I really don&#x27;t want to get too caught up in FOMO, so if blockchain actually becomes huge and useful, I&#x27;ll wait and see. I don&#x27;t mind if it does, or if it doesn&#x27;t. There are certainly aspects of it that sound very exciting, but also it seems that the unwieldiness of it counteracts that.<p>In many ways it&#x27;s like quantum computing vs. classical computing, everyone is very hyped about it, but no one knows exactly what we are going to do with it, and it isn&#x27;t clear that the cost and difficulty of using it justify the somewhat ephemeral benefits.
davidperrenoudalmost 3 years ago
Certificate Transparency. Both Chrome and Safari implement it and you will receive an e-mail from Cloudflare if someone creates a certificate for your domain:<p>It is kind of a blockchain with proof of authority. More precisely it is a Merkle tree with certificate authorities seen as trusted nodes by the web browsers. This idea was extended in something called General Transparency and implemented in the Google Trillian project: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.google.com&#x2F;site&#x2F;certificatetransparency&#x2F;general-transparency" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.google.com&#x2F;site&#x2F;certificatetransparency&#x2F;genera...</a>
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hanswordalmost 3 years ago
&gt; Crypto is successful at being money. If you don&#x27;t believe me, then I&#x27;m happy to sell you the laptop I&#x27;m writing this on for 1,000 ETH instead of 1,000 USD.<p>You might be happy to sell it, but I am not happy to buy it using ETH. I think it&#x27;s a bit silly that the author accuses critics of not understanding crypto, but they clearly don&#x27;t understand money. I might miss something here, but I am afraid in their logic the Kuwaiti Dinar is somehow better than the Dollar because you need to pay 3 dollar to get a Dinar.<p>Edit: typo
teekertalmost 3 years ago
Here&#x27;s another one: [0]. I love sending boosts and streaming satoshis (sats) back to indie creators (40 sats&#x2F;min is the default in Castamatic which I use) who sometimes share them completely transparently with other parties (like opensats [1]) or guests on shows.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;podcastindex.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;podcastindex.org&#x2F;</a><p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensats.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensats.org&#x2F;</a>
drdrekalmost 3 years ago
&quot;Crypto is successful at being money. If you don&#x27;t believe me, then I&#x27;m happy to sell you the laptop I&#x27;m writing this on for 1,000 ETH instead of 1,000 USD.&quot; Lol, Great reasoning! ll happily give you 1000ETH for 1000 1K gold bars! I&#x27;ll throw in a laptop for free! Pretty indicative of the level of thought invested in writing this.
user_namedalmost 3 years ago
The problem is that crypto is marketed (often) to consumers but crypto is really infrastructure so the target user is the enterprise, not the consumer. Any consumer use case is built on top of the infrastructure, and the consumers don&#x27;t care if it&#x27;s crypto or not.<p>In short, crypto is b2b and not B2C.
lkrubneralmost 3 years ago
&quot;<i>Few technologies have a clear start point. Did the internet start in Tim Berners-Lee in 1990? Or in 1982 with TCP&#x2F;IP? Or in the 1970&#x27;s with CYCLADES? Or in 1969 with ARPANET? Or in 1965 with the invention of packet switching? Or in 1950&#x27;s with time-sharing? Can you distinguish the internet from computers or information theory? Maybe it starts at radio or the telegraph.</i>&quot;<p>Did you say &#x27;over&#x27;? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! It ain&#x27;t over now, &#x27;cause when the goin&#x27; gets tough, the tough get goin&#x27;. Who&#x27;s with me? Let&#x27;s go! Come on!...<p>(returning): What the f--k happened to the crypto I used to know? Where&#x27;s the spirit? Where&#x27;s the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you&#x27;re gonna let it be the worst. &#x27;Ooh, we&#x27;re afraid to go with you, crypto, we might get in trouble.&#x27; (shouting) Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I&#x27;m not gonna take this. Coinbase, he&#x27;s a dead man! Celsius, dead! Ethereum...
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strangeattractralmost 3 years ago
&gt; Crypto is successful at being money. If you don&#x27;t believe me, then I&#x27;m happy to sell you the laptop I&#x27;m writing this on for 1,000 ETH instead of 1,000 USD.<p>Utterly absurd and yet even still seems to make the exact opposite point. 1000 ETH can be sold for over USD1m, if ETH were successful money surely you would be indifferent to receiving $1000 and $1000 worth of ETH. Not to mention this seems to imply everything is ‘money’, I’d swap my phone for an RTX3090 so I guess it’s money too. In some sense maybe but this is so broad that the word ‘money’ ceases to have much use discussing.<p>This piece is ridiculous. It accuses people who believe there are no use cases of making a bad faith statement while interpreting it in the most literal way possible. They aren’t saying you can’t do anything at all with crypto. Many crypto projects are interesting from a purely technical perspective, but mass market adoption isn’t driven by admiration of a technical implementation.<p>It presents several technologies most of which have been developed as a crypto version of an existing technology for which a use case exists. In this circumstance the ‘use-case’ sceptics refer to is a feature that dominates the existing products for a price users are willing to pay. For the novel ones it&#x27;s still unknown, but scepticism here is obviously warranted.<p>I’m not even wedded to my scepticism of crypto. I have an interest in distributed systems and seeing ways people try to design byzantine fault tolerant systems. But I’m yet to see a project that I would use at all and I semi-regularly look.<p>Even the final claim to cut out middlemen is false. To the end user transaction fees paid to miners don&#x27;t feel any different to a fee charged by a bank on a transfer except maybe in magnitude.<p>edited: said USD instead of ETH
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jjulianoalmost 3 years ago
One of the use-case is to unfriend friends.<p>Basically, you over-hype a crypto to your friends, then they invest huge sums of their savings, then immediately a crash occurs, wiping 90% of the saving.<p>Next use-case is to recommend stables.
alephnanalmost 3 years ago
&gt; Crypto is successful at being money. If you don&#x27;t believe me, then I&#x27;m happy to sell you the laptop I&#x27;m writing this on for 1,000 ETH instead of 1,000 USD.<p>Let us know when the laptop sells.
hdjjhhvvhgaalmost 3 years ago
I know the ship has long sailed but my first reaction was, &quot;What? They&#x27;re everywhere!&quot; - understanding crypto as cryptography. I guess I&#x27;m officially an old man now.
kobasaalmost 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.chain.link&#x2F;smart-contract-use-cases&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.chain.link&#x2F;smart-contract-use-cases&#x2F;</a>
WatchDogalmost 3 years ago
How are cryptocurrency loans supposed to work?<p>If I need own enough crypto assets as collateral to cover the loan value, whats the point in getting a loan?
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MrPatanalmost 3 years ago
Digital art and collectibles with easy ownership and provenance guarantees. You can&#x27;t do that any other way.<p>No, a centralized database doesn&#x27;t cut it. Remember how you hate &quot;buying&quot; movies from Google or Amazon only for them to shut down the service down the line? Why would you not hate the same thing for art?<p>Also, now it&#x27;s cheap. Just buy some and relax, guys. Let it go.
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senectus1almost 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve bought a game and a mega subscription using btc.<p>thats about it. after a year of having some.
ncmncmalmost 3 years ago
Dunno, but I notice if you pronounce it &quot;grifto&quot;, people know exactly what you mean without explanation.
RichardHeartalmost 3 years ago
Number go up.
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jiggawattsalmost 3 years ago
The problem with crypto is that the main unique features are only &quot;distributed trust&quot; or the &quot;public immutable ledger&quot; aspects. Everything else can be implemented or emulated much more easily emulated with simpler, traditional technologies.<p>The <i>thing is</i>, nobody actually cares if the thing they trust is distributed or not. They just want to not have to trust some <i>specific</i> third parties. They <i>very rarely</i> want their information to be public and immutable.<p>For example, banks would really like to be able to detect credit card fraud where customers use a cc from bank A to pay off the cc debt in bank B. But they don&#x27;t want to trust <i>each other</i>, so how do they exchange this data?<p>Crypto people would instantly jump and say: &quot;Blockchain!&quot;<p>But what&#x27;s required here is not <i>distributed</i> ledgers, and certainly not <i>public</i> ledgers. The whole problem is thank bank A doesn&#x27;t want to give B their customer records. Making it public is <i>worse</i>.<p>Instead what they do is hire a third-party that&#x27;s <i>not a bank</i>, like Equifax, Experian, and the like.<p>These companies hold the ledger centrally, <i>secretly</i>, and don&#x27;t tell anyone[1] the contents, including bank A or B! Instead, they sell back to the banks the &quot;cc fraud analysis&quot; <i>only</i>, after having done the cross-bank transaction analysis.<p>There are hundreds, if not thousands of companies like this around the world. I know of several that collect sales information from competing companies and then sell back the anonymized statistics to them. There&#x27;s basically one for every industry, in every large country.<p>About 90% of what crypto does can be implemented much more sanely, cheaply, and privately using something like a cloud service.<p>For example, Azure SQL now has a &quot;Ledger&quot; feature where it keeps cryptographic hashes of transactions in a chain (sound familiar?), and keeps these in <i>immutable</i> blob storage. This blob storage can be restricted to specific private networks. Even if it is public, there is access control based on API keys and the like.<p>Corporations that need an immutable ledger that &quot;none of them control but all of them can access and verify&quot; can just hire a third-party to spin one of these up and host it in the cloud. Faster, cheaper, simpler, compatible with ordinary SQL applications, and <i>private</i>. That last one can&#x27;t be underestimated. That&#x27;s a <i>killer feature</i> that no blockchain can provide without crypto wizardry that only 2 or 3 people on the planet understand.<p>Ref: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;sql&#x2F;relational-databases&#x2F;security&#x2F;ledger&#x2F;ledger-overview?view=sql-server-ver16" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;sql&#x2F;relational-databases&#x2F;se...</a><p>[1] Have you ever wondered why the Equifax data breach affected the records of <i>so many</i> people from so many banks? This is why! Their core business model is cross-bank data collection and analysis.
npc12345almost 3 years ago
The crypto use case is bitcoin.<p>Everything you can do elsewhere you can do it in Bitcoin, and safer.