Yesterday:<p>FDA to order Juul e-cigarettes off U.S. market(wsj.com)<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31835843" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31835843</a><p>Submitted by kgwgk | 389 points | 662 comments
Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) in tobacco smoke increase the effectiveness and addictiveness of nicotine, which practically means tobacco is dramatically more addictive than nicotine alone [0]. By switching to an alternative that contains nicotine while keeping physical sensations essentially unchanged, tobacco users can remove MAOIs from their system and then focus on the behavior (hand fiddling, inhaling) and chemical addiction (gradually reduce dosage) separately.<p>Beyond that, vaping is so obviously safer than smoking. It strikes me as profoundly hypocritical to ban the less dangerous alternative, while keeping the unbelievably deadly cigarettes on the market.<p>[0]: <a href="https://www.jneurosci.org/content/25/38/8593" rel="nofollow">https://www.jneurosci.org/content/25/38/8593</a>
This is frustrating for smokers who jumped to the vaping lesser evil. Vaping did help a lot of people wean their habit to a halt. It's clearly a much better alternative to cigs. Imho FDA is pushing it by doing this, we all know what dirty shenanigans FDA is up to, I'm inclined to believe it's a move meant to make some competitor a lot of money under the guise of caring for people's health.
Unsurprisingly, this is out of touch. Juul has been dead among teenagers for years, basically immediately after the FDA banned flavors. Its now been replaced by, as far as I can tell, completely unregulated disposable e-cigarettes which have been growing in price, size, and strength. Ask your interns when the last time they saw a Juul at their college was.
Why does the FDA have the authority to do this ? They'd save more lives by removing all Mc Donald's from the market.<p>Same thing with the DEA telling me what substances I can consume.<p>Now instead of having a legal option, your encouraging underground, unregulated options.<p>How about this, slap a big label on everything from fattening foods to recreational drugs, with " This will fucking kill you, here for a good time not a long time".<p>Then either raise the enlistment age to 21 or drop the age of consumption to 18.<p>It's pretty fucking absurd you can enlist at 18 ,but can't consume recreational substances until 21.
My frustration with vaping is that it's seen as "not smoking", to the point where I had a guy sitting in front of me on an airplane vaping in flight and nobody really cared.<p>Sitting in a cloud of someone's exhaust is really just as gross to me as sitting in a cloud of someone's smoke but it's just not nearly as obvious by smell.
"In particular, some of the company’s study findings raised concerns due to insufficient and conflicting data –<p>including regarding genotoxicity and potentially harmful chemicals leaching from the company’s proprietary e-liquid pods<p>– that have not been adequately addressed and precluded the FDA from completing a full toxicological risk assessment of the products named in the company’s applications."
They played a major part in helping me quit cigarettes when my lungs were really not feeling great, and I quickly started breathing better and am now cutting down on vaping. For that reason, I think I have a slight bias toward e-cigarette manufacturers.<p>This is probably a good thing though. It sounds like Juul will still be able to operate in this market but will just have to provide better data in future applications. Having high standards for FDA approval is something I'm in favor of, as long as they're not setting such a high bar that there aren't any options for people who are trying to quit cigs.
I mean honestly how many adults just decide "Im going to start smoking cigs". If I had to bet, I would say 80% of all smokers began smoking when they teenagers. Teens are still developing and cannot make proper "adult" decisions. Big tobacco whether they want to admit it or not knows they must go after teens because if they don't trying to convince a 35 year old with three kids to start doing something that they have never done is damn near impossible...<p>Its the same strategy that some companies use where they work with the earliest stage companies, i.e. Stripe, and they grow with them. In an extremely perverted view, big tobacco just wants to grow with their customers hahaha.
Can someone here more up to date than I on the subject give me a good jumping off place to see the real research on vaping vs smoking nicotine?<p>Last I heard vaping was generally considered to be safer overall because it lacked the extra carcinogens found in cigarettes, but it came out in the wash as people tend to vape far more frequently than they used to smoke and vapes are also a more direct punch of nicotine.<p>I’ve heard that a pipe is probably the best way to smoke if you have to do it: Tends to have a more pleasant smell to those around you, is a much purer tobacco product, and it generally isn’t inhaled. I think pipes raise the rate of various mouth cancers though.
So as I'm reading this, there are apparently other approved "electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS)"[1], but Juul in particular failed to provide data proving the safety of their products. Which is kind of interesting.<p>1. <a href="https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/premarket-tobacco-product-applications/premarket-tobacco-product-marketing-granted-orders" rel="nofollow">https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/premarket-tobacco-produ...</a>
Juul deliberately marketed their product toward minors. That is why their are being removed from the market and their competitors are not.<p>They also provided incomplete and fraudulent data about the ingredients in their liquids, which is the <i>actual</i> justification for the FDA revoking authorization (FTA).