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Attorney General Bonta Releases Name, DOB, and Address of CCW Holders

49 pointsby takklzalmost 3 years ago

17 comments

Thorentisalmost 3 years ago
So criminals can look up addresses before deciding which homes to break and enter? How is this not a good thing for criminals? Sure, less criminals may get shot. But then who are we trying to actually protect here?<p>Consider an absurd second order effect where, if it&#x27;s true that you&#x27;re less likely to be robbed by being on this register, it encourages <i>more</i> people to buy guns, even if it means they don&#x27;t have to use them.
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pseudo0almost 3 years ago
Example #1001 of why gun owners hate registries. The safest way to handle sensitive PII is to simply not retain it in the first place.
anigbrowlalmost 3 years ago
Bullshit headline edit<p>Original was &#x27;Attorney General Bonta Releases New Firearms Data to Increase Transparency and Information Sharing&#x27;. They absolutely leaked data by failing to secure it properly via tableau, but the headline as written here implies that this was done deliberately. I looked at it last night, you wouldn&#x27;t have known about it unless you were digging through the page source looking for ways to scrape it.<p>Negligent at best, possibly deliberate at worst. But that doesn&#x27;t justify the false impression created by this headline.
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takklzalmost 3 years ago
See: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;CAguns&#x2F;comments&#x2F;vm723i&#x2F;attorney_general_bonta_releases_new_firearms_data&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;CAguns&#x2F;comments&#x2F;vm723i&#x2F;attorney_gen...</a>
Blackthornalmost 3 years ago
Exactly why we fight tooth and nail against registries in other states. And people call us hysterical.
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ciabattabreadalmost 3 years ago
Is this one of those situations where it&#x27;s conceptually a public record in that it&#x27;s always been available via a filing cabinet at a public library, but when placed on the global internet, it causes problems?
Rebelgeckoalmost 3 years ago
Well that&#x27;s one way to &quot;Increase Transparency and Information Sharing&quot;. I can&#x27;t get the portal to work any more, but supposedly it also shared PII for FSC cardholders (a.k.a. pretty much every law-abiding gun owner in California).
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LinuxBenderalmost 3 years ago
I thought about getting a CCW when I was in California. I would have had to donate upwards of $20K to the local sheriff based on what other CCW&#x27;s I knew had to do otherwise the form just sits in a pile for years. I found it was cheaper to move to a state that does not require a CCW to carry concealed. The only reason I would apply for one here would be if I planned to drive across the state border while carrying.<p>In hindsight I am glad I took the path I did. Things are getting weird(er). Politics are really starting to impact citizens in ways I had not imagined would happen in my lifetime. Surely these events are eroding what little trust and confidence people have in their governments? I am seeing too many &quot;Ooops did I leak that?&quot; events and blaming cloud configuration errors. It&#x27;s a broken record at this point and I am not buying it.
mgarfiasalmost 3 years ago
Just wait til companies start using this as part of their background checks of employees.
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rhexsalmost 3 years ago
What&#x27;s the goal here? Convince law abiding citizens to leave California?
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daenzalmost 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t see anything on this page that indicates the headline. A quick search on Twitter doesn&#x27;t yield any results either. Are there redacted screenshots as proof? Anyone covering the leak?
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macinjoshalmost 3 years ago
What an unmitigated disaster. Some problems with this off the top of my head:<p>1. Criminals can see which houses to avoid burglarizing.<p>2. Criminals can see where to find weapons to steal when owners are away.<p>3. Stalkers can easily find their victims home who may be carrying for self defense.<p>4. Will the addresses of every police officer be published too? They carry a gun at all times, even off duty in most cases.
salawatalmost 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;CAguns&#x2F;comments&#x2F;vm723i&#x2F;attorney_general_bonta_releases_new_firearms_data&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;CAguns&#x2F;comments&#x2F;vm723i&#x2F;attorney_gen...</a><p>Is the reddit thread.
hnburnsyalmost 3 years ago
Does this include the address of LEOs, many of whom are CCW holders?
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_-david-_almost 3 years ago
Revealing information on private citizens is transparency?
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pensatoioalmost 3 years ago
Ok, I read it, and I&#x27;m still confused. The CA govt is doxing people who went through the arduous process of legally obtaining a CCW?
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trhwayalmost 3 years ago
Society considers it useful to have a sex offenders registry, like where they live, etc. I think gun owners are also a potential threat, ie. there is similar compelling public interest, and thus I don&#x27;t see why it should be treated differently. For example if a scum of a &quot;law abiding gun owner&quot; like Rittenhouse is living next door you definitely would like to know if it has a gun.
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