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Homeland security workers indicted in scheme to silence China critics in U.S.

398 pointsby cwwcalmost 3 years ago

18 comments

wolverine876almost 3 years ago
This should raise serious questions about DHS. Who are they employing? How are they trained? How are they preventing abuse of power? What is the culture there?<p>Under the prior administration, DHS acted brutally, in many cases. What happened to correct that culture?
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syspecalmost 3 years ago
&gt; Miller granted consent and ultimately admitted that he had run the queries for Taylor and sent the results to Taylor via text message, and that Taylor had provided a gift card in return.<p>Wow it just blows.my.mind. that that is all it takes!
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99_00almost 3 years ago
By default, China considers all ethnic Chinese to be Chinese nationals.<p>&gt;In regards to the de facto practices of the Chinese government, Kris Cheng wrote in Foreign Affairs that &quot;Beijing presents nationality as an elaborate legal question, but in practice the answer is simple. Only one rule applies: If you have ever held or could have held Chinese citizenship, you are a Chinese national unless Beijing decides you are not. And even if you were born abroad but you&#x27;re of Chinese descent, Beijing still feels as if it owns you.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chinese_nationality_law" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chinese_nationality_law</a><p>China also requires all Chinese nationals to spy when asked.<p>&gt;As long as national intelligence institutions are operating within their proper authorities, they may, according to Article 14, “request relevant organs, organisations, and citizens provide necessary support, assistance, and cooperation”.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.canada.ca&#x2F;en&#x2F;security-intelligence-service&#x2F;corporate&#x2F;publications&#x2F;china-and-the-age-of-strategic-rivalry&#x2F;chinas-intelligence-law-and-the-countrys-future-intelligence-competitions.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.canada.ca&#x2F;en&#x2F;security-intelligence-service&#x2F;corpo...</a>
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kart23almost 3 years ago
this stuff is freaky. at college when the hk protests were at their height, some taiwanese students put up a public art display to raise awareness about the protests and the chinese government. the very next day, it was gone, apparently torn down overnight by a group of chinese students. We shouldn’t have tolerance for people silencing speech, especially here in our own country.
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walrus01almost 3 years ago
&gt; There are two new defendants charged in the scheme, Craig Miller and Derrick Taylor<p>I want to know how much money it cost the PRC to buy these guys.<p>Doubt they were doing it for ideological reasons in the usual MICE (money, ideology, conscience, ego) formula.
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_HMCB_almost 3 years ago
Every move the Chinese government makes should be scrutinized to the finest detail. They have but one goal: complete control of key parts of world infrastructure. See what’s happening in the Indo-Pacific. Most media is asleep at the wheel.
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ch4s3almost 3 years ago
Just another reason DHS shouldn’t exist and was a mistake in the aftermath of 9&#x2F;11.<p>[*edit] if you disagree, I’d love to hear your justification for the existence of DHS.
bhkalmost 3 years ago
A DHS officer and a DHS agent leak restricted information on US persons and all they get charged on is lying about it?<p>&gt; Miller and Taylor procured and disseminated sensitive and confidential information from a restricted federal law enforcement database regarding U.S.-based dissidents from the PRC.<p>&gt; The charges against Miller and Taylor pertain to their alleged obstruction of justice...
georgeburdellalmost 3 years ago
Not a lawyer, but is the alleged silencing action in the title illegal? The surveillance equipment installation, the bribery, and the lying perhaps are
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basketheadalmost 3 years ago
How many more tens of thousands of government employees are on the payroll of foreign governments?
yaloginalmost 3 years ago
Wow. The extent to which China goes to silence it’s critics is scary. I cannot believe the kind of effort and coordination it takes to bribe people in the dhs and then buy the victims car and workplace. This cannot be the first time, I am sure they have it figured out like a well oiled machine. On the other hand, I am glad the US government was able to catch this and prevent it. To be honest I was beginning to question our ability to bring people to justice particularly at the federal level.
maerF0x0almost 3 years ago
Is it just me or have there been a spat of such kinds of China f&#x27;king with American kinds of revelations? What is the reason that Governments put up with this kind of thing?
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rob_calmost 3 years ago
Why does this read like yet another case of the People&#x27;s Republic using bad faith actors to infiltrate the West for their own gain?<p>If only several groups had been warning about undue influence within society starting at an educational level and planning out. No, those groups were evil doomsayers, it can&#x27;t be that they were right...<p>There can&#x27;t be a history of this in recent years. There can&#x27;t other stories and people arrested or deported for military espionage and spying... Must be the evil courts not respecting their culture....<p>&lt;&#x2F;sarcasm&gt;
joecool1029almost 3 years ago
&gt; &quot;Sun is a PRC-based employee of an international technology company&quot;<p>So is he indicted because this company is also located in the US? Or is it typically normal for foreign agents to be indicted if they are not in the US and working on behalf of another government?<p>EDIT: Asking because it seems weird for someone working for their own government in their own country to be indicted for doing their job by a different country. Isn&#x27;t that normally a diplomatic problem between countries?
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dirtyidalmost 3 years ago
TBH, pretty lame PRC spooks need to to rely on US databases to target dissidents. Assuming these are actual dissidents and not PRC&#x2F;CCDI most wanted list, i.e. extrememly corrupt ex-nationals who fled abroad with their riches.
MetroWindalmost 3 years ago
Ah so the US is becoming China.
ck2almost 3 years ago
Something I&#x27;ve oddly noticed more than once in forums is some negative mention of China, some random person (bot? slave?) will show up and tell people to stop being racist.<p>Maybe with unrivaled manpower that kind of stealth campaign is possible but it would like fighting the incoming tide.<p>But really, who thinks anyone has any say over China, they are going to do whatever they want, when they come for Taiwan nothing will be done in the end.
ncmncmalmost 3 years ago
Today I learned that the Department of Homeland Security runs Emergency Relief Operations in Minneapolis, Minnesota where they have assigned a Deportation Officer.<p>Why does an Emergency Relief Operation need a Deportation Officer?<p>It seems like we need, more than ever, to disband and disarm Border Control. Maybe make a new agency, and forbid it to hire anyone at all from the old snakepit.
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