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Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards

328 pointsby waltercliffordalmost 3 years ago

17 comments

noisy_boyalmost 3 years ago
&gt; The ALU may ask you to sign an authorization card or share a QR code to fill out an online authorization card. &gt; <i>This is a legally binding document</i><p>Ooh scary ... is the employment contract signed by Amazon&#x27;s employees not legally binding? How is it Amazon&#x27;s business what their grown-ass employees can or cannot sign?<p>&gt; By signing a card or filling out an online authorization form, you are providing the ALU your personal information.<p>Like Amazon monitoring my spending habits?<p>&gt; By signing a card or filling out an online authorization form, you are authorizing the ALU to speak on your behalf.<p>And thats terrible how?<p>&gt; The ALU is not part of Amazon and does not represent Amazon<p>Thats the whole point.
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photochemsynalmost 3 years ago
Realistically an Amazon-wide union is the only way Amazon workers are going to get decent wage increases. If the USA is going to allow manufacturers to outsource the majority of well-paid (~$30&#x2F;hr avg) manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, without having any cross-border capital flow penalities (neoliberal globalism in a nutshell), then the major employers like Amazon and Walmart are going to have to double their wages.<p>Yes, that means less for the executives and shareholders. They may have to sell some of their properties, oh dear.
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0n0n0m0uzalmost 3 years ago
People nowadays have no memory of the decades of struggle, sacrifice to win the rights we currently have. Unions are the most effective tool the working class has to affect change where they spend a majority of their waking life. No wonder why its demonized at every possible instance.
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yardiealmost 3 years ago
&gt; By signing a card or filling out an online authorization form, you are authorizing the ALU to speak on your behalf.<p>Yeah, they were great at listening before.<p>Also, where are these unions where the people in it aren&#x27;t the people it represents. Recently, a school board election ad, &quot;we have to stop the teachers union and start listening to teachers.&quot; Well, who the hell is in the teachers union if not teachers?
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maybeiambatmanalmost 3 years ago
How do legislators just allow this? Isn&#x27;t this cut and dry illegal?
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pxeger1almost 3 years ago
Ok, lesson learnt: don&#x27;t read the comments on any HN story about unions.
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capablewebalmost 3 years ago
mrits: &quot;You guys love the police union too, right? Right???&quot;<p>The general idea, yeah. It proves how strong a union can be.<p>The implementation? No. A union for people who have monopoly on violence? No. A union that protects people who are actively hurting civilians without recourse? No.
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designiumalmost 3 years ago
&quot;We care about your privacy but not your rights.&quot; &quot;Please suffer privately on your own.&quot;
ozzythecatalmost 3 years ago
I was with Amazon working in tech for over 10 years.<p>I lost control of my health, my hair turned white, and during that time I lost most of my friends. It’s obviously my own fault for letting all that happen.<p>Of all the companies in the world, Amazon is probably one of the coldest, soulless places.<p>Management is riddled with politics and third rate talent who’ll often knowingly do the wrong thing, just to get promoted.<p>The people who actually drove the innovation, who weren’t necessary easier to work with but at least had some technical vision and production vision have all left.<p>A significant piece of the company is all just legacy systems and tech debt, supported by Indian H1Bs who hire more H1Bs.<p>If the government breaks up AWS and the rest of Amazon, most of their domains won’t make business sense anymore. There are too many middle men who are against this though - everyone from companies that help people relocate, to vendors that provide special tax services for the H1B army.<p>I hope Amazon fully unionizes. Even in tech, it was a grueling, toxic place to work.
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justinzollarsalmost 3 years ago
If you really cared, cancel your amazon accounts. 148 Prime users upvoted this article.
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bamboozledalmost 3 years ago
If Amazon wasn&#x27;t such scum, I&#x27;d spend a lot more with them...
laweijfmvoalmost 3 years ago
No doubt that Amazon is being scummy here, but you can’t quote someone&#x2F;something and put a phrase (“don’t sign”) in quotations unless it’s a direct quote…
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s0l1dsnak3123almost 3 years ago
It&#x27;s lovely to see so much solidarity on this subject from HN. A lot of people are fed up right now, and they&#x27;re very much justified.
darepublicalmost 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve been in unions in some really shitty jobs; where I assume the union had no power.
ervinealmost 3 years ago
Why is stevespang&#x27;s comment flagged as dead?
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tomohawkalmost 3 years ago
Unions love card check instead of secret ballots. It&#x27;s a great intimidation tool.
alexnewmanalmost 3 years ago
I’m amazed , with the history, lack of progress, and violence committed by unions, that anyone would ever join one. This ain’t Germany