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If You’re Busy, You’re Doing Something Wrong

259 pointsby brianwillisover 13 years ago

22 comments

scottdw2over 13 years ago
I like the hypothesis the article presents: focusing on working intently hard, followed by relaxation and you will perform better. It's something I would want to beleive.<p>But, I find his analysis a little suspect. It appears to confuse corellation and causation. It notices a difference in behavior between the "great" and the "average" and assumes those differences to cause the difference in ability.<p>It completely ignores the possibility that the behavioral difference might be caused by a difference in ability, rather than the behavior changing the ability.<p>Also, another problem is that student classification is based on faculty opinion. The fact that students with a class of behavior tend to be liked more by their instructors implies something about the instructors, not the students. It does not measure music ability. It measures the ability to be perceived positively by music professors.<p>I would be interested to see a study that actually measures music ability, using set learning time frames with unfamiliar pieces and double blind assessment of music samples.<p>If that was correlated with behavior, then it might mean something.<p>The best the study can say is "if you want music teachers in Berlin to rate you highly, then behave this way".
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dparkover 13 years ago
I wrote up a long critical response and then deleted it. The bottom line is that this is a valid point for <i>studying</i>, which is what the blog is about. Studying 10 hours a day is not productive. Shorter bursts of intense study is indeed very useful.<p>However, it's important to note that this doesn't extrapolate to the general world. A lot of jobs simply involve doing a lot of stuff. Efficient study of storage technologies might make you an elite expert, but it won't make you the founder of DropBox. That takes a lot of "hard to do" work, and you most definitely will be busy. Most jobs are closer to this than they are to the violinist in a university.
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shaldengekiover 13 years ago
As much as I appreciate the fact that the original paper was linked in the article, I can't get over the nagging feeling that it may be a slight overreach to take three groups of ten people studying in the same academy, ask them to record their activities for a week, and then generalize the results to recommend certain behaviors to the entire human population.
barnabykover 13 years ago
You can find the article for free at scholar.google.com - <a href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=The+role+of+deliberate+practice+in+the+acquisition+of+expert+performance.&#38;hl=en&#38;btnG=Search&#38;as_sdt=1%2C33&#38;as_sdtp=on" rel="nofollow">http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=The+role+of+deliberate+p...</a> -<p>With this article you also have to note the estimated number of hours the best violinists and good violinists spent performing. By the age of 20, the best had accumulated 7,410 hours of practice, the good violinists had accumulated 5,301 hours, and the teachers had accumulated 3,420 hours. The best and the good violinists can practice the same amount, but if you are 2,000 hours of deliberate practice behind, it will be really hard to catch up.<p>If you are interested in expert human performance, I would read this article, the Talent Code, and Talent is Overrated. Every time I hear Gary V say that he is successful because of his DNA, I think of this article because it is the 10,000 hours he spent running a lemonade stand, selling baseball cards, working in a wine store, and deliberately reading wine spectator that made him an expert.
steve-howardover 13 years ago
Cal Newport's articles are always interesting to read, but I find them to be less than encouraging. It's not that the advice isn't sound -- it's just that his recommendations generally require the reader to be extremely self-disciplined. I am constantly trying to practice this, but in truth I'm still all over the map. I do poorly in courses where I'm expected to be constantly involved in little incremental pieces (like the course I'm taking in Agile), and I tend to work rather well doing large chunks at once.<p>Most days I can't bring myself to do real, boring, challenging-but-in-a-sucky-way work. Then I'll realize I'm weeks behind and I'll hammer out everything I need to do in a couple of days. I had a twelve-week internship over the summer, and when it was almost over and I still wanted to get things done, I spent about sixteen hours a day in my office for a week. The reviews of the end result were fantastic.<p>I am somewhat under the impression that there are some people in the world who are great organizers, who have some record of everything they've committed to and planned for, and that I will never be one of those people.
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vacriover 13 years ago
The author has never worked on a farm; there is always something to do.
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siliconcalleyover 13 years ago
I recently picked up a book in an airport called Talent is Overrated. It's all about this theory. There is a ton of evidence given to support it, how to improve your own performance, and that of your team, and how to apply the methods to promote innovation. It's a great book, if you're into this article you should definitely check it out.
jroseattleover 13 years ago
What a poorly titled article. The study itself isn't invalid, but the conclusions are.<p>It's easy to read the evidence -- put in more effective practice/studying, and your rates of success and capabilities will be higher than any marathon/cramming will ever do for you.<p>A fine sentiment, until its applied to the general world. And in the real world, there is plenty of hard-to-do work that needs to be handled. I guess all my hard-to-do work that I'm responsible for as an employee, friend, father, volunteer, etc. is simply a "busyness" choice that's preventing me from reaching the stars in some focused endeavor.<p>It's completely anecdotal, but I know several people who follow the focused-drive-limited-busyness approach. I find two common traits about them: 1) they are highly competent in their chosen field, and 2) they are stunningly boring.<p>The world needs experts, but life needs well-rounded people. I respect the experts, but I much prefer the well-rounded folks.
betterlabsover 13 years ago
The hardest thing is to take this learning (and the concept of deliberate practice) and hack it to your startup founder role and your chaotic day. Its easy to say that this concept it not applicable there but I believe it is. I have tried to apply it by splitting my day for new sales calls, existing account management, product dev management and operational issues and it does work well on the days that I can be disciplined enough to not get distracted. There is also a tremendous sense of achievement when it works. So that is my take away from this article - take the core concept and make an attempt to apply it to whatever it is that you are doing - so you can do it better, faster and cheaper ( in terms of energy spent!).
ddelonyover 13 years ago
Creative work seems to happen in short bursts. Along with a lot of other writers, I like working in short, intense bursts, especially in the mornings.
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martinkallstromover 13 years ago
I see no proof of causality in the article. My assumption is that a teacher needs to be an expert in not only her subject but also in pedagogics. Why wouldn't this multidisciplinary expertise require harder work to attain, resulting in less sleep and a longer work schedule containing tasks not directly related to music?<p>I also resent the inherent bias in labelling someone with the ambition of becoming a teacher of the arts as <i>average</i> based on this ambition alone. As earlier HN posts have informed us, in Finland it is the top 10% students of a class that go on to become teachers.
rodolphoarrudaover 13 years ago
Intelligence is perceived on someone's outcomes to society. Playing the violin extremely well is an individual outcome, which denotes individual intelligence. On the other hand, the majority of us work for organizations, groups, teams etc, where the quality of the outcome comes from the group's collective intelligence. I wish I could find a different version of this article named instead: "If your team is busy, it's doing something &#60;research_findings_here&#62;"; because then it would apply to a more significant share of our societies.<p>I believe that someone being busy working on social interactions (of any type, real or virtual) generates great outcomes both personally and collectively. I don't believe in meditation, reclusion, cocooning anymore. A complex world requires sophisticated groups of talented people working together to solve problems. The busy they are, the better.<p>Maybe this slides off the topic. But I just wanted to express my view from a different angle.
andrewfelixover 13 years ago
"The data, as it turns out, had a different story to tell…" No, it doesn't. The data shows that different levels of performance are directly related to the amount of time invested in practice. The author seems to have attempted to re-interpret the data to suit his argument
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Zimahlover 13 years ago
And sometimes practice doesn't matter much at all. Some people are just great at what they do.<p>Charles Barkley (well-known NBA future Hall of Famer) was well known for being a slacker at practice. He hated it.<p>Randy Moss (well-known NFL future Hall of Famer) was also one of the laziest players, poor team player, and hated practice.<p>Mark Spitz (7-time gold medal winning swimmer) apparently was particularly uninterested in practice, put in the bare minimum yet reaped huge rewards.
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azovover 13 years ago
I think the title is highly misleading. It's not about busy vs not busy, it's about doing the right thing vs doing something that doesn't matter. The A-group was doing <i>three times</i> more work that matters. And work that doesn't matter doesn't count.<p>In other words, how is that different from 80/20 principle? Looks like the research is just another confirmation of it.
bdheover 13 years ago
I think it is another example of <i>quality versus quantity</i>. Often people use quantity of time rather than quality of time towards a particular task as a metric of effort and that is unfortunately wrong. Another big point in favor of telecommuting.
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saturdaysaintover 13 years ago
A lot of this is consonant with Tony Schwartz's "Manage Your Energy, Not Your Time" -<p><a href="http://hbr.org/2007/10/manage-your-energy-not-your-time/ar/1" rel="nofollow">http://hbr.org/2007/10/manage-your-energy-not-your-time/ar/1</a> (paywalled, unfortunately)
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fbpcmover 13 years ago
This is why I focus my efforts on reaching certain goals effectively rather than efficiently accomplishing as much as possible.
thorieover 13 years ago
This article complete ignores the simple fact that if you're talented, you don't need to work hard.
topbananaover 13 years ago
503. Oh, the irony
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billpatrianakosover 13 years ago
I don't get that difference between hard work and hard to do work. It says that the players who were spending time stretching their abilities were higher achieves than the ones who simply worked hard. Does that mean the average ones were working tirelessly to perfect their existing skills while the elite were going beyond that and testing their limits? So then were the elites simply satisfied with their current abilities so to speak and simply moving on to more challenging activities while the average ones wouldn't do that until their existing skills were absolutely perfect? I'm tired so maybe Im missing the obvious.<p>I love articles like this. It's just so hard to put the results into practice. I'm a programmer. I admit I focus on improving skills that are in my comfort zone most of the time. It has served me well and I see a lot of improvement in my work. I also spend some time working on things I'm not familiar with or not comfortable with but far less time that that which I already have at least a decent grasp of. I tend to improve by getting a passing knowledge of something new and building on it slowly by dissecting examples. Maybe I should spend more time on the skills I don't yet have a firm grasp of rather than perfecting my current skill set?<p>Interesting read for sure.
Rodrigo_Thaubyover 13 years ago
Epic fail. 503 status.
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