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Challenges in building a decentralized web

74 pointsby cropcirclbureaualmost 3 years ago

11 comments

superkuhalmost 3 years ago
The web is peer to peer if everyone just runs a static webserver. Back when Opera was still Opera they integrated a webserver into the browser (with a naming system&#x2F;proxy through Opera). If this would&#x27;ve taken off the human (but not the commercial) web would be a very different place. It still can be.<p>I host a static nginx webserver from home and just use a text editor to look at my log of POSTS to participate in p2p web techs like indieweb&#x27;s webmention.
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rektidealmost 3 years ago
Im more hybrid oreinted myself. The web is short on more federated apis. That I think we are slowly growing. But in many ways pingbacks are still state of the art, not much advanced.<p>The other thing we need is some trust&#x2F;take it with us models. Servers signing their content, local not distributed blockchains.<p>Federated + pingback + logs. Paul Frazee had some good threads a bit back on kind of replacing distributed but concensus blockchains with local contract logs, where we could inter-transact, but check to see whether someones really being honest &amp; doing the things they said&#x2F;following their interface&#x27;s contracts... ugh where was it.<p>Could well be wrong but I dont see consistent hash rings or other open p2p content stores as being likely to ever scale storage or availability sufficiently.
civilizedalmost 3 years ago
Imagine going back to the 80s and 90s and telling people &quot;the web isn&#x27;t peer to peer! We have to replace it!&quot;<p>It would be extremely confusing. Didn&#x27;t we invent HTTP and IP and the web to let computers shoot messages to each other directly? What happened to that?
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irsagentalmost 3 years ago
How would you compare that to what Jack Dorsey is doing with his Web5 project: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.tbd.website&#x2F;projects&#x2F;web5&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.tbd.website&#x2F;projects&#x2F;web5&#x2F;</a>
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somatalmost 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t really get these flavor of article, the web is kind of the poster child of a decentralized application. saying the challenge of a decentralized web is kind of like saying the challenge of water not being wet enough.
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ilakshalmost 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;d31jmv5Tx5k" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;d31jmv5Tx5k</a>. Freenet creator has a new thing called Locutus.
bsderalmost 3 years ago
The first step to all of this is, unfortunately, socio-political--we need to collapse the ISP monopsonies. Once you have viable competition in the ISP space, most of the problems preventing peer-to-peer go away (lack of upload bandwidth, NAT restrictions, etc.)
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openfuturealmost 3 years ago
The assumptions I&#x27;m working from: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sr.ht&#x2F;~ilmu&#x2F;tala.saman&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sr.ht&#x2F;~ilmu&#x2F;tala.saman&#x2F;</a><p>We need to find games that people will want to play.
o_malmost 3 years ago
Those who truly believe in a decentralized web should focus on creating routers with web servers in them that are easy enough to use that everyone can host their content.
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EGregalmost 3 years ago
Very good article. Whatever happened to Beaker Browser, Blockstack etc?
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ilakshalmost 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;runvnc&#x2F;tersenet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;runvnc&#x2F;tersenet</a>