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Citroen 2cv pages

128 pointsby dayvealmost 3 years ago

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olivermarksalmost 3 years ago
My Francophile artist dad, who was a terrible driver, had a sky blue deux chevaux. He used to drop me off at school sometimes in the morning (UK midlands).<p>For urban driving he typically drove in 2nd or 3rd gear at around 23 mph which was very slow in a straight line and terrifying around corners and roundabouts. I used to see ashen faced drivers out of the passenger window trying to understand why his engine was screaming and the car was lurching at such an extreme angle around the roundabout lanes. He would typically have a car full of stuff which would be rolling around on the floor and it wasn&#x27;t unusual be hit on the head with an easel or painting under extreme braking evasions. Great cars, spent a lot of time in 2CVs in France too, such character...
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haunteralmost 3 years ago
The GSA had a beautiful dashboard <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;FL0xd9wXMAAdIm8.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;FL0xd9wXMAAdIm8.jpg</a>
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janlukacsalmost 3 years ago
How I miss the &quot;old&quot; internet. These fan made websites used to show up in google serps ages ago. I&#x27;ve never ran into these personal websites in the past 3+ years, no matter how deep I search.
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hyakosmalmost 3 years ago
&quot;CV&quot; is for &quot;Chevaux&quot; (horses) but we&#x27;re talking &quot;tax horses&quot;, a calculation used for a taxation system where more powerful vehicles cost more. The current french formula is 0.00018 * [power in kW]^2 + 0.0387 * [power in kW] + 1.34<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fr.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cheval_fiscal" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fr.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cheval_fiscal</a> (current formula, french page)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tax_horsepower#France" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tax_horsepower#France</a> (general explanation)
Gordonjcpalmost 3 years ago
I once beat a colleague of mine driving is Porsche 911 Turbo in an impromptu street race in a deserted semi-demolished housing scheme somewhere in central Scotland, in an elderly Citroën Dyane.<p>Yup. With its 602cc engine, it absolutely wiped the floor with the 911. Totally unfair fight, fully 30 seconds faster per mile.<p>I probably shouldn&#x27;t have goaded him into the bits that still had speed bumps, eh?
YVoyiatzisalmost 3 years ago
Ten or so years ago, being a Citroen enthusiast since I was a kid, but never got around to owning one, I came across a Citroen farm in New Hampshire—about a hundred miles from where I was at the time, in Massachusetts.<p>He ended up convincing me to refrain from purchasing the D50 I had my eye on—it was selling for less than three grand at the time, not in mint condition, but with a weathered patina that suited its faded buttery canary yellow just right. The Northeast, he said, given its often extreme weather conditions in winter, uses too much salt to weather driving conditions. I had to be prepared to replacing its chassis in just a couple of years thenceforth, were I to expose it to Boston’s driving conditions.<p>I wanted that little car to be my every-day commuter here in Boston, it would not have proven feasible to garage it over the winter, so I had to let it go.<p>In retrospect, having driven in Boston all these years after the fact, not ending up that little car proved a prudentchoice. Cudos to the gentleman Citroen farmer for his sage advice.
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ameliusalmost 3 years ago
They should really make a modern retro version of the 2CV, like they did with the MINI and VW Beatle. It&#x27;s such an iconic car.
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nwatsonalmost 3 years ago
Those 2CV are very light. My family were passengers in a drive from Santiago to Valparaiso (Chile) in someone&#x27;s American station-wagon when a 2CV tried to cross in front of us. We hit them and a passenger from that other vehicle got pinned under the top-of-door frame when the 2CV toppled over. My one-armed dad managed to tilt the vehicle off them so they could be pulled out. She didn&#x27;t seem extremely hurt.
surmoialmost 3 years ago
When I was at school, we studied the specifications document for that car which are really interesting! The car was designed to transport two farmers with &quot;sabots&quot; (wooden shoes) and either 50Kg of potatoes or a keg. The whole history of the car is of note, I encourage you to look into it if you are curious! (cf. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.la2cvmania.be&#x2F;09_TPV_1939_2cv.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.la2cvmania.be&#x2F;09_TPV_1939_2cv.htm</a>)<p>For a bit of context, design started in 1935, a third of the french population was still working in farms, although it was declining. I wonder if they thought it could not go much lower than that. (cf. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fr.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Loi_des_trois_secteurs#&#x2F;media&#x2F;Fichier:Population_active_et_emploi_par_grand_secteur_de_1806_%C3%A0_1990.svg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fr.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Loi_des_trois_secteurs#&#x2F;media&#x2F;...</a>)
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kragenalmost 3 years ago
I was thinking about the 2CV the other day with respect to drone motors and rollerblades.<p>A 75%-efficient 1000-watt 20000-rpm quadcopter motor is one horsepower, costs about US$150, is about 50 mm in each dimension, and weighs 250 g. If you couple it to an 8-mm-diameter output shaft, the shaft&#x27;s surface speed is 8.4 m&#x2F;s or 30 km&#x2F;hour. Hook up a 10 cfm cooling fan to remove the 250 watts of heat (the other 25%), mount the shaft between sprung two ball bearings that press it up against a rollerblade wheel, and you have a one-horsepower roller skate.<p>An average human can wear two such skates at a time, thus providing <i>deux chevaux</i> of power, 1500 W, which is 180 N (the weight of 18 kg) at 30 km&#x2F;hour or 1100 N at 5 km&#x2F;hour, plenty of power to burn rubber. Accelerating a 100-kg human to 30 km&#x2F;hour requires 3.5 kJ, 2.3 seconds at two horsepower, limited in practice by traction. Most of the time you would be using much less power than that, and of course you need active traction control so you don&#x27;t burn rubber every time you pick up your foot and put it back down, but this seems like a tractable engineering problem.<p>If your average net power usage (losses to air resistance, road roughness, rolling resistance, and round-trip losses from regenerative braking) is 100 watts, a two-hour trip is 0.7 megajoules. This is considerably lower than the average power usage of a Citroen 2CV because a human has a lot less air resistance than a car, even with a helmet and kneepads.<p>You could provide this energy with 1.9 kg of lithium-ion batteries in a backpack, costing about US$300, but plausibly you could make it cheaper by using high-discharge-rate lithium cells for half or a quarter of that (US$75 or US$150) and US$40 of deep-cycle lead-acid batteries (4 kg) for the rest.<p>The &quot;2CV&quot; in the car name was kind of a tax fraud, though. An actual Citroen 2CV offered 9 horsepower even at the beginning and 29 horsepower by the end, which is a lot more than you can strap onto your feet even with modern drone motors.<p>On the other hand, if you used a larger shaft, you could get the skates to go a lot faster than a 2CV could. But I&#x27;m not sure that would be a good idea.
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adhesive_wombatalmost 3 years ago
Not car-specific but I do miss the days of huge paper catalogues. The multi-volume RS ones were great, but the real joy was something arcane like an optics, RF or connector company.<p>I was convinced to throw away my relatively small and likely valueless but prized collection to well-intentioned &quot;decluttering&quot; when I moved to my own house. The thing is, they actually did spark joy, as Marie Kondo would say.<p>Also data books. Sure, electronic formats are objectively better in nearly every sense from weight, dead tree count and Ctrl-F-ability, but nothing says you know what you&#x27;re about better than a well-thumbed Philips data book.
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bufordtwainalmost 3 years ago
The 2CV is an interesting car to drive. It has very little power and the gear stick pokes out of the dashboard. It&#x27;s a comfortable ride and you can peel back the cloth roof cover on a sunny day. Unfortunately it&#x27;s not great at protecting the occupants in the event of a crash. Its doors are really thin and there are no air bags. Its design is very simple. Here is a video of a 2CV being dismantled and reassembled in 5 minutes by a few people: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=mo1Z5072xr4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=mo1Z5072xr4</a>
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woobaralmost 3 years ago
Ford catalogues from the same time - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32298524" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32298524</a>
gorgoileralmost 3 years ago
The 2CV was the first and last car my mother owned that had a had a hand crank start. I think we only bought it because of the Tintin related marketing material. The carburettor controls were front and centre, presumably for live adjusting the fuel richness as you ascended a Pyrenean cirque. I saw the famous twin engined version in Berlin a few years ago for a mere six figure euro price tag.
ur-whalealmost 3 years ago
The Mehari [1] (red car on front page) was an amazing car (4 wheel drive), that was used by the French military for a while and later became very emblematic of the St-Tropez area of France in the 60&#x27;s and vacationing there.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Citro%C3%ABn_M%C3%A9hari" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Citro%C3%ABn_M%C3%A9hari</a>
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petercooperalmost 3 years ago
This has just reminded me that as a kid I used to nag my parents to visit car dealerships and collect car brochures. My parents were too risk averse to buy anything like a Citroen, but they were clearly the most forward thinking company. I remember the Citroen XM being the most futuristic car I&#x27;d ever read about, but now the cheapest hatchback has far more advanced technology!
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jansanalmost 3 years ago
Did the 2CV have a nickname in other countries? Here in Germany it was called &quot;the duck&quot; (&quot;die Ente&quot;). Oooh, that suspension, great memories :)
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Normillealmost 3 years ago
Ah. Memories. I actually learned to drive in a 2CV. Brilliant wee motors. I&#x27;d love to have one again. Just to play around in.
canbusalmost 3 years ago
Scariest (and most exciting!) automotive experience I&#x27;ve ever had was in a 2CV, being thrown around the west german hill passes in one of those things felt like a near-death experience every corner...
foxbeealmost 3 years ago
Now i want to drive along a winding road in sunny mainland France eating a beautiful Jambon-Beurre.<p>They should make a lovely, pastel, electric version of this. I bet it would be a hit!
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classifiedalmost 3 years ago
The presentation style of those catalogs is just wonderful. And hose hippie colors! Today‘s presentation styles are mind-numbingly dull in comparison.
forintialmost 3 years ago
The Pallas DS was such a beautiful car, they should resurrect it as an eletric car.
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frozencellalmost 3 years ago
Is there some similar illustrated website for recent, modern Citroen cars?
wafriedemannalmost 3 years ago
Very cool. Would be even better if they included pricing.
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RicoElectricoalmost 3 years ago
Someone please explain why 2CV was produced for so long (1949-1990) - even in communist countries which were technologically backwards production of 2CV&#x27;s contemporaries (like FSO Warszawa) was long stopped (1973 in that example).
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