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Intermittent fasting 2 days vs. 1 day per week

66 pointsby sgfgrossalmost 3 years ago

19 comments

davirossalmost 3 years ago
&gt; protein pacing diet for the remaining five&#x2F;six days&#x2F;week (Protein pacing refers to 4–6 meals&#x2F;day evenly-spaced, where each meal contains 25–40g of protein)<p>&gt; During fasting days, participants fasting for one day&#x2F;week were allowed to consume 400 Kcal&#x2F;day, while participants fasting for two consecutive days were allowed 500 Kcal&#x2F;day. During non-fasting days the dietary regimen provided 1350 and 1700 kcals&#x2F;day for women and men, respectively, and a macronutrient distribution consisting of 35% protein, 35% carbohydrate, and 30% fat.<p>That&#x27;s somehow more calories&#x2F;day than I would expect for a &quot;fasting day&quot;, and fairly restrictive over-all. I&#x27;d be curious to hear how these compare to someone on the 1350&#x2F;1700 kcal&#x2F;day diet 7 days a week.<p>&gt; Extending beyond 4-weeks reduces compliance and may be overly excessive for a caloric restriction and 2 day IF and create undue metabolic, physiologic, hormonal, and psychological stress in the study participants.<p>Also something I was wondering, the repeated emphasis on short-term benefits has me wonder how the participants did after the trial. Does it do much good if you drop more but it bounces back?<p>&gt; Isagenix International, LLC (Gilbert, AZ, USA) provided all meal replacement shakes, bars, beverages, and supplements.<p>&gt; Whole Blend IsaLean® Shakes, Cleanse for Life®, Ionix® Supreme, Collagen Bone Broth, AMPED™ Hydrate, Harvest&#x2F;Whey Thins™, IsaDelight® Chocolates,<p>&gt; This study was supported by a grant (IRB#: 1911–859) from Isagenix International, LLC<p>&gt; P.J.A. (the primary author) is a member of the scientific advisory board at Isagenix International LLC, the study’s sponsor. E.G. and A.E.M. are employed by Isagenix International LLC.<p>Ok, that reads as <i>very</i> suspect, now.
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chasebankalmost 3 years ago
Having water fasted many times, I swear this has something to do with burning all the stored glycogen. I have no backing other than what I’ve experienced myself. I get really hungry for a week after a fast and continue to lose weight or stay the same. Anecdotally, I’ve chalked this up to as long as your glycogen bank isn’t full, you can pretty much eat whatever you want. Water fasting is glorious btw.
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bhaneyalmost 3 years ago
&gt; Given the same energy intake<p>&gt; During fasting days, participants fasting for one day&#x2F;week were allowed to consume 400 Kcal&#x2F;day, while participants fasting for two consecutive days were allowed 500 Kcal&#x2F;day. During non-fasting days the dietary regimen provided 1350 and 1700 kcals&#x2F;day for women and men, respectively<p>That seems like the first claim is just untrue and the 2-day-fasters are consuming fewer calories overall? If all the non-fasting days are the same for both groups like this says, then the 2-day-fasting men are consuming 1100 fewer calories per week (and 750 fewer for women). Even if intermittent fasting did nothing at all, I would expect that extra calorie deficit to result in more weight loss.
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sschuelleralmost 3 years ago
1700 cal&#x2F;day seems quite low and I would think would result in weight loss continuing also on non-fasting days.
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DoreenMichelealmost 3 years ago
<i>The reason why intermittent fasting works is that it is associated with increased oxidation of fatty acids (lipolysis) and ketone body formation (ketogenesis), activated cell-signaling pathways (insulin sensitivity, reduced inflammation, autophagy), and preservation of lean body mass, known as “metabolic switching”.<p>The interesting fact however is that typically, these mechanisms are not fully activated until at least 24 hours of fasting.</i><p>Well, this sounds to me like they know it has an effect but they don&#x27;t actually know the full story on <i>why</i> it works.
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qsialmost 3 years ago
One should note that the participants (N=20) were divided into two groups with the respective regimens, and put on a controlled calorie diet for the rest of the time. Evaluation was after four weeks.<p>This study tells us very little. Small sample size, constrained diets without a proper control (protein pacing without IF, or no restriction at all), short evaluation horizon.<p>There could be something to it, but as they say, that requires a lot of further study. In itself this study provides a hint, certainly nothing close to an authoratative conclusion.
icegreentea2almost 3 years ago
If you&#x27;re interested you can see the entire paper: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nutritionj.biomedcentral.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.1186&#x2F;s12937-022-00790-0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nutritionj.biomedcentral.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.1186&#x2F;s12937...</a><p>N=10 in each group, and the IF-2 day group has a single clear outlier (someone who is obviously larger than everyone else).
davmanalmost 3 years ago
If someone can make it so it doesn&#x27;t feel like I can no longer think or move any muscles or start sweating if I go more than about 3 hours without eating, then I&#x27;m on board! Also hunger pangs. Please no.
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winkalmost 3 years ago
This is the first of these kind of articles I see in a long time that actually has a tangible number for &quot;calories allowed on a &#x27;fasting&#x27; day&quot;, my main point usually being: does the milk in my coffee count against the fasting, or something like diet coke.<p>No, I really don&#x27;t want to start a discussion on this - I just find it funny that most of them seem to imply fasting as 0.0 calories per day, without explicitly mentioning it. And then the discussion about the coffee follows...
shaicolemanalmost 3 years ago
I found that OMAD (one meal a day) works well for me. I&#x27;ve been consistently losing 1-2kg per month on it, and it&#x27;s something I feel I could sustain forever.
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sudden_dystopiaalmost 3 years ago
As someone that intermittently fasts everyday, I don’t think weight loss has anything to do with the actual fasting, I think it just helps you control when you eat and helps you meet a caloric deficit. I do enjoy the clarity of mind that I feel when I don’t eat for 16-18 hours though.
leereevesalmost 3 years ago
&gt; Protein pacing refers to 4–6 meals&#x2F;day evenly-spaced, where each meal contains 25–40g of protein<p>That&#x27;s a lot of protein, comparable to the amount that bodybuilders consume. Does fasting increase protein requirements?
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deancalmost 3 years ago
Interestingly fasting which induces ketosis, has been shown to reduce cyst growth in rats with Polycistic Kidney Disease (PKD). A human trial is ongoing.
martin_aalmost 3 years ago
You can stop reading here:<p>&gt; a group of 20 participants<p>That is unscientific and the results are anecdotal at best.
m3kw9almost 3 years ago
Dinner at 7 and then breakfast at 7 m, aren’t most people intermittent fasting?
edmcnulty101almost 3 years ago
Eat 500cals for two days.<p>I&#x27;ll just be fat.
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OJFordalmost 3 years ago
Is the original title too long? I&#x27;d suggest spelling out at least &#x27;intermittent fasting&#x27;.<p>(It looks like shouty &#x27;if&#x27; at the moment, and then 1&#x2F;2 days&#x2F;week what?)
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hgazxalmost 3 years ago
Why is it called fasting when you’re allowed to eat 500 kcal ? I would’ve assumed it meant 0 cal
ramesh31almost 3 years ago
Eating less food causes more weight loss. Astounding.