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Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

97 pointsby rblionalmost 3 years ago
With Russia invading Ukraine &amp; China preparing to invade Taiwan, I can&#x27;t help but wonder.<p>In the 2010&#x27;s, many people told me &#x27;WWIII will never happen, the world is too interdependent&#x27;.<p>When I look at the world unfold in the 2020&#x27;s, it seems very few people accounted for how much corruption, economics, social media, propaganda, etc. would factor into geopolitics.<p>At this point, to me, another global conflict with massive consequences seems inevitable. There is just enough desperation, social unrest, government corruption, and resource depletion to trigger survival instincts on the largest scale.<p>Just like individuals have a drive for self-preservation, nations do too. Wars happen when two or nation&#x27;s drive for self-preservation collide. It seems Russia, China, and North Korea have already aligned while the US&#x2F;EU have aligned, not sure where India stands. The US has warships moving in the South China Sea, China sees that as an act of escalation. Winter is coming in the EU with Russia withholding energy. TikTok is spying on the all it&#x27;s users and Russia interfered in US elections...<p>I&#x27;m just curious to hear what others think&#x2F;feel. I&#x27;m open to any perspective, none of us are prepared for what&#x27;s ahead for better or for worse. I&#x27;m hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.

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kyproalmost 3 years ago
I doubt it simply because there&#x27;s still a massive power imbalance between western and non-western countries. A war with China and Russia would obviously be awful for the human race, but there&#x27;s almost no way China and Russia would win such a war, nor would it make sense to fight it. I mean what does the &quot;winner&quot; of WWIII gain? You might win the war, but now the planet is a nuclear waste land.<p>I think China and Russia are likely to continue to make moves that economically hurt the West or amplify social divisions here, but I don&#x27;t see WWIII-type conflict happening personally.<p>The Taiwan situation is interesting but ultimately China knows they won&#x27;t be able to take Taiwan by force without extreme consequences - nor would it be easy. China&#x27;s economy depends on being able to export to the West where as the West could, if needed, find other trading partners. For that reason I think there are limits in how far China will be willing to go with Taiwan. Even if it didn&#x27;t escalate into direct conflict with the West it would still be economically devastating for China. Maintaining the status-quo is in everyone&#x27;s best interest.<p>Then again geopolitical events are nearly impossible to predict. At the end of the day it&#x27;s just a handful of people who get to decide these things and people can be irrational, emotional and have complex motivations. WWIII will probably happen at some point, I just doubt the probability of it happening soon is as high as some people think.
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vwcxalmost 3 years ago
&gt; When I look at the world unfold in the 2020&#x27;s, it seems very few people accounted for how much corruption, economics, social media, propaganda, etc. would factor into geopolitics.<p>While I agree that propaganda has never quite been as hyper-targeted to specific micro-populations as it is today, you can&#x27;t forget the larger role propaganda has played since, say, the printing press. Especially propaganda tied to the same concerns as today: economic insecurity, racial and cultural in-groups and out-groups, etc. Ask a Southern male US citizen in the 1850s what he thought about the island of Cuba — although he likely never would have any interaction whatsoever with the island, its inhabitants or its politics, he would&#x27;ve encountered (and probably adopted) talking points given to him by propaganda: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ostend_Manifesto" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ostend_Manifesto</a>
okaramalmost 3 years ago
&gt; China preparing to invade Taiwan ...<p>There is, as of now, no evidence China is preparing to invade anything. There&#x27;s always sable rattling, hasn&#x27;t happened yet.<p>&gt; Wars happen when two or nation&#x27;s drive for self-preservation collide<p>That&#x27;s a naive view of war, which ignores individual a-holes. There&#x27;s no self-preservation in Russia invading Ukraine...<p>I understand it&#x27;s easy to despair and fear seeing some of the things happening in the world. I am much more optimistic.
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cynusxalmost 3 years ago
It&#x27;s mostly self-preservation of the regimes in that country, Fidel Castro taught the worlds&#x27; dictators that they can stay in charge for life as long as there is a big external enemy so people naturally rally around a strong leader. It triggers a deeply instinctive group behavior where it&#x27;s not the right time for &quot;change&quot;.<p>If the world becomes more unsafe it&#x27;s because autocratic leaders are feeling the pressure of their citizens, mainly due to the internet and free access to information.<p>You can see this in the Arab world where the enemy is always &quot;israel and the zionist world order&quot;, the US in Cuba and Venezuela, NATO in Russia, the &quot;western humiliation&quot; in China, Colonization in Zimbabwe, ...<p>It somehow always winds up that organizations that promote democracy are agents of the west and should be suppressed. Formenting domestic problems in democracies only serves to make their regime look better in comparison.<p>Will this lead to a world war? I don&#x27;t think so, but there will definitely be a lot of manufactured conflict designed for their own internal consumption.<p>In Russia&#x27;s case, the Belarus and Kazakhstan revolutions apparently triggered the regime sufficiently to into an unprovoked invasion with a &quot;kill list&quot; of Russian speakers that were critical of the kremlin and the resolve to drag the only russian-speaking area under democratic rule into poverty.<p>China doesn&#x27;t have a pressing need to invade anybody at the moment but I do believe that they will blockade Taiwan in the next decade.
csomaralmost 3 years ago
I have a quite different (and most likely biased) opinion than most people (here or in Western countries).<p>WWIII is already happening. The US is closing up on Russia now for more than a decade. China is growing economically but they are still far away militarily and except for Russia there isn&#x27;t really another contender for the US militarily speaking.<p>Before 2010 the world was quite multi-polar with the US being the leader. Now, we are moving to a uni-polar world and this is of course triggering reactions both from China, Russia and countries that want to remain sovereign (ie: India, Brazil, ASEAN, etc...)<p>Countries not in the western sphere are already aware of this. The EU is quite aware of this too and it&#x27;s going to be a loser in this new order but it doesn&#x27;t seem to be able to build a politically independent force to have its own policy. Russia is the main target and they know this, that&#x27;s why they are freaking out. China probably doesn&#x27;t like Russia much but certainly would prefer a multi-polar world (at least until they are able to become the leader); so they&#x27;ll help the Russians to slow down the West. Major other countries like India do not like China or Russia but they are concerned about the accumulation of power and inflation in the West&#x2F;US hands. Smaller countries are trying to survive in this environment and feed their people either by selling their young labor for pennies, or opening their borders for rich people from the West to sun bathe.<p>That&#x27;s the world for you, in a nutshell.<p>If I am to predict the future:<p>- Russia gets drawn in a long war with Ukraine. The US is playing the long game of starving them financially and technologically.<p>- China will probably collapse in a spectacular fashion. They are far from being a united country. The outcome won&#x27;t be easy to predict and China is huge. It is possible this will happen without much disruption to trading lines.<p>- Europe&#x2F;Euro&#x2F;Schengen will end sometime in the next 10 years. Some European countries will be back to third-world status.<p>- With the fall of the Euro, the US dollar will become the ultimate currency. The US will be able to yield enormous influence all over the world.
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v4dokalmost 3 years ago
On my side I think its inevitable. The only question is &quot;when&quot;, my 2c on why &quot;inevitable&quot; and some thoughts on where we are.<p>Inevitable because thats history. Pax Americana has effectively come to an end with the Taliban giveaway. The official end will be if&#x2F;when they abandon Taiwan; and thats why people care so much. If US can&#x27;t intervene to save its allies then their word means shit. US has become complacent, self-absorbed in its own problems and as every &quot;empire&quot; crumbling from within. The signs are pretty visible both economically and socially and I won&#x27;t expand because it would take a whole essay. Point is, when an empire stumbles, others run to take its place (or a piece of it). Of course, there is the asterisk of nuclear weapons that ensure MAD but I bet that millions or billions of man hours are spent on finding ways to avoid MAD on both sides. If that will result in MAD in the end , I don&#x27;t know; but I don&#x27;t think its a deterrent which is as real as it was in the 60s.<p>How close are we? I would put a timeframe of 10-15 years if no other major event comes up. Because US is not what it used to be 10years ago even. The fuckup in north africa was the start, the absolute plunder in Afghanistan was next. People in US are tired of wars as inequality grows and the political system offers no exit. Couple this with a societal swift towards postmodernity thanks to the arrogance of the &quot;elites&quot; and you have a great mix of angered populace with no regards to rationality. Now the war in UKR creates a fundamentally unstable system in the heart of Europe. This system will have to stabilize one way or the other, Russia cannot remain a pariah for a long time or it will risk making it even more aggresive. China is asking for &quot;lebenraum&quot; in southeast sea which US doesn&#x27;t want to give (but IMO they will be forced to). If China decides to take Taiwan the option is either war with china in their backyard, or backing out and accelerate the US downfall. Either way, it won&#x27;t go out without a boom, it never does.<p>Newer generations in advanced countries (including me) view war as something extraterrestrial but reality is that its an everyday phenomenon for the biggest part of the world and for the most time in history. So its easy to think&#x2F;hope that it will be like this forever and &quot;war is finished&quot;, but Ukraine showed to most Europeans that its not (and IMO thats what shocked them the most)
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AlbertoGPalmost 3 years ago
Henry Kissinger in the Wall Street Journal last week:<p>&gt; “We are at the edge of war with Russia and China on issues which we partly created, without any concept of how this is going to end or what it’s supposed to lead to,” he says. Could the U.S. manage the two adversaries by triangulating between them, as during the Nixon years? He offers no simple prescription. “You can’t just now say we’re going to split them off and turn them against each other. All you can do is not to accelerate the tensions and to create options, and for that you have to have some purpose.”<p>&gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;henry-kissinger-is-worried-about-disequilibrium-11660325251" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;henry-kissinger-is-worried-abou...</a><p>He had something to say already in May about Ukraine at Davos: “Kissinger vs. Soros on Russia and Ukraine” <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;dueling-approaches-to-world-order-war-ukraine-putin-russia-china-davos-kissinger-soros-foreign-policy-peace-11653509537" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;dueling-approaches-to-world-ord...</a> (on a lighter note, this URL sounds like a conspiracy theory bingo card)
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flerchinalmost 3 years ago
Nah. The difficulty that Russia has had with taking any significant portion of Ukraine has, if anything, shown the folly of military adventurism in the post-modern era. Remember that in WW2 Poland and France lasted for about a month before capitulation.
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yehosefalmost 3 years ago
Yes. For more about the actual plan - I recommend looking into <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Unrestricted_Warfare" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Unrestricted_Warfare</a> - the Chinese plan to take over the world.<p>The have recruited Russia in this effort (Russia doesn&#x27;t mind getting their hands dirty - China likes to avoid physical wars, when possible see Sun Tzu - &quot;The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.&quot;). They plan to divide the spoils once the world moves on from a US Hegemony&#x2F;Dollar based world.
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tus666almost 3 years ago
1) Russia is about to lose bigley to a backwater country called Ukraine.<p>2) China has a tin-pot military that has not really fought an external war since Korea.<p>No.
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mytailorisrichalmost 3 years ago
&gt; <i>With Russia invading Ukraine &amp; China preparing to invade Taiwan, I can&#x27;t help but wonder.</i><p>And before that the US invaded Iraq (twice), Afghanistan, various other countries (arguably including Vietnam and Korea). The USSR also invaded Afghanistan. Plus various other proxy conflicts.<p>WWIII, in the sense of an all out war, won&#x27;t happen because the opponents all have nuclear weapons and are too big in any case.<p>The West is careful not to directly attack Russia in Ukraine. Russia will be careful not to attack any NATO countries. If mainland China at one point launches an invasion of Taiwan the same will happen: China will be careful not to attack the US and allies, and the US and allies will be careful not to attack China.<p>Really, the same that has been happening since 1945 between US and Russia, and since the end of the Korean War between China and US (when the US understood that China was off-limit as well).<p>It&#x27;s just that since the fall of the USSR people in the US and the West have become used to run the show unopposed. This is no longer the case and we are &#x27;simply&#x27; going back to a situation where several opposing major powers (really, that means the US and China) match each other (or at least are strong enough relative to each other to be assertive).
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qwerty456127almost 3 years ago
&gt; In the 2010&#x27;s, many people told me &#x27;WWIII will never happen, the world is too interdependent&#x27;.<p>That&#x27;s because it happens this way - not as immediately global and not as intense as one would expect from a world war - because the world has became more dense and viscous so processes like that happen this way like processes in molten glass compared to processes in a gas.
dvfjsdhgfvalmost 3 years ago
&gt; China preparing to invade Taiwan<p>They have been preparing for a long time, but Taiwan is preparing extremely well, too. If China decides to strike, they will take enormous damage and if they succeed, they will just get some barren land with toxic waste which is an unreasonably high price to pay and completely unnecessary - it&#x27;s not like they lack land like Bangladesh.
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tyrfingalmost 3 years ago
Very unlikely. Posturing regarding China is much cheaper than any action, the US was barely willing to take any action regarding Russia, and that&#x27;s at least an order of magnitude cheaper. Consider that in any outright war, a company like Apple would no longer own anything beyond a trademark, and would have zero manufacturing ability. The costs would be massive - and for what? A small island in the Pacific?<p>As long as China doesn&#x27;t launch missiles at the Pacific second island chain or carriers, an escalation to a world war even in a situation where they launch a military attack on Taiwan is unlikely.<p>Look beyond the rhetoric and I think even the ~ 20% odds on prediction sites is much too high, mostly clouded by recency bias.
atemerevalmost 3 years ago
Sure, why not. Wars happen. World wars happen. Peace was never supposed to be eternal.<p>I started pivoting my software engineering skills to be more useful at wartime since 2018 (GIS, simulations, network analysis etc.)
sudden_dystopiaalmost 3 years ago
World war 3? No probably not in the traditional sense of war like world war 2. But could this be the ground work for a devastating nuclear war? Absolutely.
vbezhenaralmost 3 years ago
WW3 will not happen. Countries are not stupid to destroy the Earth.<p>Local wars here and there happened and will happen in the future. There&#x27;s nothing special about Ukraine or Taiwan in that regard.<p>World will move from US-centric model to multi-polar model. One pole is China, one pole is Russia, one pole is EU, one pole is US, one pole is Iran. Confused about India but probably it&#x27;ll be a separate pole as well. Probably there will be African pole and South-American pole. Economy, Internet, Science will be divided among those poles. Some poles will cooperate, some poles will not. Countries will join some pole or dive into anarchy. That&#x27;s the script for next 50-100 years, then another country will rise as a world hegemon. I expect it to be China, but I might be wrong.
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QuadmasterXLIIalmost 3 years ago
If the CCP invades the ROC it has to win fast, before Taiwan’s nuclear weapons program can spin back up. Losing to Beijing means death and organ harvesting for every member of the government of Taiwan, so I wouldn’t blame them for chosing death by nuclear exchange over defeat.
dsqover 2 years ago
All agree that world war brings far more destruction than benefit. It is therefore irrational. Why would it happen nonetheless? One clue can be the mental flexibility of the leadership. Unfortunately, there is little reason for optimism here. China’s extreme lockdowns seem to have more to do with CCP prestige than epidemiology. Western policies regarding inflation, budgets, internal cohesion also indicate lack of ability. Russia also made grave miscalculation in its invasion. So, all major leadership is sorely lacking. This was a significant factor in the breakout of the First World War.
tomjen3almost 3 years ago
If so it will be a very short war. Russia is getting beaten by some of nato weapons, and no actual nato soldiers trained for years on them, and with the handicap that they can’t be used on Russian territory.<p>If the west didn’t hold back so much, Russia it’s might end. That’s how far back they are.<p>Sure they could all launch nukes, but that get’s you nothing. And the nukes are exactly the weapons you pocket the maintenance money for first, since if they are found out to not work, well nobody will be around to prosecute you for it.
csoursalmost 3 years ago
It&#x27;s a very difficult question.<p>War between nations has mostly gone out of style. From Putin&#x27;s stated point of view, the war in Ukraine is a police action in a province (more or less) of Russia. Old school Russians think of Belarus, Ukraine, and Georgia as property.<p>It&#x27;s similar with Taiwan. Mainland China thinks of the island as part of the country, so they would not really see it as going to war with another country.<p>I think it would be interesting to think about the groundwork for WWI, like the Franco-Prussian war in 1870.
andrewstuartalmost 3 years ago
China won&#x27;t invade Taiwan.<p>The CCP is sabre rattling and blustering to look good to a domestic audience because it has lost huge face when Pelosi visited.<p>Here&#x27;s a great video to watch on the topic. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=f1sGjulgBBs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=f1sGjulgBBs</a><p>The CCP well knows that if it moves to take Taiwan then the outcome WILL be world war 3 and remember all those politicians are leading extremely comfortable lives with everything they could ever want - why risk it?<p>If China invades Taiwan - and I&#x27;ve read quite alot of stuff that says they don&#x27;t even have the military capability to do so - then they&#x27;ll be fighting everyone from Taiwan to USA to Japan and possibly India and who knows what other countries. They won&#x27;t win, they know it.
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senectus1almost 3 years ago
I dont think so.<p>I think that there will be some wars... to distract or reset from the mess the global economy is in. but nothing &quot;World War&quot; sized.
christkvalmost 3 years ago
They said the same thing in the build up to WW1 and that is even considering that all the royal houses were cousins on top of it.
Mikeb85almost 3 years ago
Yes, it&#x27;s inevitable. Russia can&#x27;t lose to Ukraine so they&#x27;ll pick a fight with the West. China needs Taiwan and is betting that the West won&#x27;t stop them. The West not directly intervening in Russia&#x2F;Ukraine signals weakness and every dictatorial government is making moves right now...
helge9210almost 3 years ago
In my opinion, the World War is ongoing, when every country sees the opportunity to enter a fray and exit in a better position.<p>&quot;Perceived opportunity&quot; here is the key and actual warfare is less relevant, because in normal situation entering a war has obviously negative outcome.<p>So, it looks like we&#x27;re in already.
acidioxidealmost 3 years ago
Everybody says that WWIII won&#x27;t happen because nobody would dare to use nuclear weapons, but I think that there is a possibility for a world war without nuclear war. Russia didn&#x27;t use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
alberthalmost 3 years ago
This assumes WWIII wouldn&#x27;t be Cyber Warfare.
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dazsnowalmost 3 years ago
China is not preparing to invade Taiwan. That&#x27;s simply US propaganda - who&#x27;s interest would it serve?
neoeover 2 years ago
I said ww3 begin from Jan 2020, the pandemic, it&#x27;s come from void or nature? The purpose of war is always decline human numbers. Russia and China are almost passive, the provoker is USA, if they are not actually grouped.
dirtyidalmost 3 years ago
War unlikely short term, too much mutual exposure (until 2028)<p>- Still lots of interdependancy in critical supply chains - USNavy decade of concern<p>- US reshoring semi<p>- PRC building out nuke deterence<p>- PRC catching up on semi, shifting energy mix, improving food security<p>- PRC improving other critical defense&#x2F;deterrence capabilities<p>- ergo US not doing much but poking TW with diplomatic moves<p>- meanwhile PRC reciprocates by building up military, continuing defense modernization<p>War likely medium term (2028-2036)<p>- There maybe be a period of elevated concern when either sides retrenched enough, thinks they have upper hand and miscalculates.<p>- Both PRC and US domestic politics have made responding to TW likely.<p>- PRC&#x27;s the only country to have fought&#x2F;threaten to fight with every NPT nuclear state while she had no&#x2F;marginal nuclear capability. US (and all of UN in Korea), USSR border wars, India Border skirmishes, threaten UK wanting to renege over HK handover, technically France in Vietnam war, all over sovereignty&#x2F;security issues much less important than TW.<p>- US spend too much on defense to not use shiny toys, but so far has been smart enough to only fight opponents they can stomp, but still get dragged into decades of excess commitment.<p>- Ideally Sino-US war (likely sparked TW blockade) will likely be low casualty maritime event for US and PRC, but TW and maybe JP, SKR or other island nations in region willing to support US efforts will turn into a developing country with all their critical infra glassed. Worst case scenario is mainland&#x2F;CONUS strikes that trigger nuclear response.<p>- PRC will be alright, it produces plenty domestically to hobble along.<p>- Only scenario where US maintains hegemony or PRC unseats US global primacy, overall just temping big stake gambles.<p>(World) War unlikely long term (2040+)<p>- there are some paradigm shift capabilities long term that will create credible mutual deterrence, specifically conventional prompt global strike that both US and PRC are pursuing.<p>- Ultimately works in PRC favor, as it opens CONUS to existential vunerability.<p>- Which will US deter from substantive intervention, PRC options to tackle TW opens up, including blockading it into Yemen until island capitulates.<p>Last scenario&#x2F;timeline is tech dependent and might also occur short&#x2F;medium term, but IMO long term inevitable. Many hints that PRC is pursuing meter level CEP conventional global strike capabiltiies, while official doctorine states rapid strikes are coming. This means every USN capital ship from CVNs to SSBNs, critical piece of infra like oil refineries, data centres, power generation are all vunerable, (or any US allies, or anyone for that matter). Personally what I&#x27;m keep eye out for to predict how things will play out. Note it doesn&#x27;t mean no war, but it will dramatically circumbscribe how much war will escalate. Both US and PRC will direct confrontation away from home front will be mostly alright in this scenario. Though this might mean proxies&#x2F;vassals gets wrecked.
okaramalmost 3 years ago
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drKarlalmost 3 years ago
The TikTok spying is probably irrelevant since most TikTok users are teenagers.<p>I was surprised when Putin went ahead and actually invaded Ukraine since I didn&#x27;t see the cost&#x2F;benefit justifying the invasion. Putin had a war chest of more than 600 billion dollars. Like half of that was on western banks and it&#x27;s now frozen, so Putin can&#x27;t use it. They&#x27;re burning through the rest quickly as Russian economy is going to the toilet and sanctions are hitting hard. Russia started the war with an inflation of 10% and then it went to 15-17%. Basically all western corporations left Russia. Russian planes are banned to land on most western airports. Russia no longer has access to western technology and global supply chain, which means they can no longer manufacture many things, like cars etc. They&#x27;re salvaging chips from microwaves and fridges, that desperate they are. Of course China can benefit from it by selling technology to Russia at exorbitant prices, and also by buying Gas and Oil cheaply, but since there&#x27;s no infrastructure to sell Gas and Oil to China as there is for Europe (like NordStream), that means it takes a very long time for that Gas and Oil to reach China (like 30 days instead of 3 days). Now, Russian economy seems to be doing better than expected, the Ruble stronger than expected, but it&#x27;s all for the show, in reality they can&#x27;t hold that position indefinitely. Also if Russia starts opening fronts with other countries they will need to spread their army thin instead of focusing their efforts in one spot. In the months of war so far we&#x27;ve seen how Russian army has low morale and has been ineffective, with seemingly old weapons and tanks, and the territorial gains they won had an expensive cost in lives of russian soldiers and equipment. Theoretically Russia has air force superiority compared to Ukraine but they don&#x27;t seem to use the full force of their air force. Russia also has a navy and submarines, but that is not very relevant on a land conflict like Ukraine. I thought that maybe they&#x27;re using conscripted soldiers in Ukraine (cannon fodder) instead of their professional soldiers, to appear weaker, and save their pros for later if the conflict escalates with other countries... that is a possibility.<p>I think for now Putin will content himself with taking the Donbas and a corridor connecting with Crimea and getting access to the Black Sea, and would be very happy if they could connect that to Odesa and the Transnitria region in Moldova.<p>Now, Europe will suffer, with inflation now at an average of 10% and many countries relying on russian gas and oil, prices will go even higher and there might be energy shortages in winter (remember, winter is coming). But NATO is avoiding a direct conflict with Russia because that would put two nuclear superpowers on a face to face conflict. USA and Europe are providing hi-tech weapons to Ukraine instead, which has proved to be extremely effective. USA will suffer with inflation&#x2F;stagflation but not as much as Europe.<p>Russia has some supporters. Belarus is like a puppet state, it allowed russian forces to use their territory to launch the invasion. Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Kyrgyzstan also support Russia. Other middle east countries have expressed their support for Russia, most likely because they don&#x27;t like USA. Now, would any of these states get actively involved in a war to support Russia? I believe most would not, they&#x27;re just cheering on the sides. India is also buying Oil and Gas from Russia, and helping Russia with their banking system to bypass sanctions, but I don&#x27;t think they would get involved in a war against USA and Europe.<p>China is a special case. Before the Olympics Putin and Xi Jinping met, and allegedly they signed an extended collaboration treaty. China has been repeating russian propaganda and lies (that Ukraine was infested by Nazis and Russia is liberating it etc) and blocking western news about the conflict. China has also bought a lot of oil and gas from Russia. But they are playing a slow game and will play to their own interests. It&#x27;s good for China that USA and Europe get weakened by the conflict, and it&#x27;s good for China that Russia is depleting their money resources and get weaker every day.<p>China has been building a lot of infrastructure in Africa in what some people called Debt Trap Diplomacy. Providing a loan of millions of dollars to a poor African country to build infrastructure, and when they default on their loan, China takes control of the land, effectively having a military base. It is debatable if that is an ongoing strategy or if it just happened in some cases, but China has a lot of interests in Africa, which means they have probably bribed a lot of politicians which they could use in the future if needed. I still haven&#x27;t figured out what role is this going to play on China Master Plan, but I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s something there.<p>Now, will China invade Taiwan? Well, they made a law a few years ago saying that it would be illegal for China not to use any means including violence, to &quot;protect their territory and sovereignity&quot; and recover control of Taiwan. They&#x27;re violating Taiwan air space daily, they&#x27;ve done so hundreds of times, I suppose to create an opportunity of approaching to Taiwan with the guise of one of these flights when an invasion starts.<p>In isolation it seems simple, Taiwan army is no match to China army, but it&#x27;s not so simple. Taiwan produces almost 70% of semiconductors, with TMSC producing most of it. All those fancy M1 and M2 from Apple with 5nm process? They rely on TMSC technology. It is said that in the event of a chinese invasion, Taiwan would destroy their semiconductor fabs. That would have a huge impact on the global economy and affect a lot of products, from computers and phones to cars, fridges, dishwashers... and also weapons. Biden said that the US would defend Taiwan against China at least twice, but his advisors made him backpedal that. Which probably means that it would but he can&#x27;t say it out loud.<p>Now, China economy depends a lot on exports to western countries and western economies also depend a lot on products and parts from China. If China invaded Taiwan, it would become an international pariah just like Russia, which would cripple its economy, but it would also collapse the economies of many western countries. That doesn&#x27;t mean China won&#x27;t do it, just like Russia did against all odds, and there&#x27;s a law saying it would be illegal for China not to take any necessary steps to take back control of Taiwan, after all.<p>About the comment about the US invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea etc it&#x27;s not that if a country invades any country that would become a world war... but Ukraine is different because it&#x27;s in Europe and if they had let Putin take Ukraine without providing weapons and assistance, from Ukraine it could have tried to take other countries, like Poland, Moldova, some scandinavian countries... USA and Europe can&#x27;t allow that. And also they can&#x27;t allow China to take Taiwan for the reasons I mentioned about TMSC and the semiconductor industry.<p>So, it&#x27;s not a simple answer... There will be a WWIII, most likely no, but it&#x27;s not completely off the table.
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Balgairalmost 3 years ago
Yes, and by 2030 [0] between China and the US&#x2F;NATO-aligned<p>To compete in the first half of the 21st century, China must solve two issues: 1) Oil 2) Semiconductors.<p>1) China&#x27;s domestic supply is woeful and they already import nearly half their oil. They are then constrained by the Straits of Malacca and all the myriad other channels into the South China Sea. NATO-aligned countries border much of that area and have very good strategic situations already. NATO-aligned countries and the US can effectively close off these routes at a moment&#x27;s notice. Their only other option is pipelines through Xiangang and the Uyghurs to the oilfields of the Caspian. Both areas are under heavy development by China currently.<p>2) 1.5nm chips are another form of constrained resources, especially in the 21st century. Nearly every one is made in Taiwan. And nearly every chip fab is intentionally near the best landing sites during a potential invasion[1]. If Taiwan and NATO-aligned countries want to shut off or decrease the supply of the latest generation of chips to China, they can do so at a moment&#x27;s notice. Imagine the chip issues we currently have with Ford and GM, but over the entire economy of China. It would hurt China quite a lot and the foreign source of chips is an outstanding issue for China&#x27;s security, as Javelins have proved in Ukraine.<p>China must solve these issues by 2030 at the latest. If they do not, then they allow for the NATO sphere to completely run away in capturing these two critical resources of the 21st century. Very recently, the US was allowed to produce to last generation 3nm chip fabs in Texas, a giant issue for China. The window for China to compete with the NATO-sphere is quickly closing [2]. If China does not act fast to secure the 1.5nm chip fabs in Taiwan and solve it&#x27;s oil fragility, it will forever be at the mercy of the NATO-sphere.<p>[0] Dear God, I hope I&#x27;m wrong<p>[1] And, no, you can&#x27;t just spin up a fab in a few years. They are extraordinarily tricky things to create and there are literal decades of closely kept trade&#x2F;national-security secrets that the Taiwanese have.<p>[2] I would say it has already closed, as Ukraine has demonstrated with Russia
brainzapalmost 3 years ago
Climate change is on
hash07ealmost 3 years ago
I will be downvoted to hell.<p>But Yes it has started.<p>The *actual* stage where you can see bombs, soldiers etc is the last stage of war.<p>Ukraine is right now the new &quot;vietnam&quot;<p>EU and US providing money and training for ukranian forces and Russia fighting with their allies (china,etc).<p>Sanctions are war.<p>I am not discussing if the war is &quot;legit&quot; or not. &lt;--- Read it twice<p>What People is starting to realize is:<p>&quot;you only own what you can defend&quot;.<p>This will trigger a lot of people because in their mind there is a Govt, council or &quot;laws&quot; that will prevent it.<p>But then, what about Iraq? Did we found Weapons of Mass Destruction? Are they better now? What the &quot;laws&quot; did to prevent one country from the other side of world to destruct Iraq?<p>What about Libya?<p>What will happen when 30% (Ukraine) wheat production will not reach countries that are not friend to Russia?<p>Before WW2 there was several actions&#x2F;happennings as today.<p>But if everyone realize it what would they do?<p>Sell all stocks? Stock up food? Would be chaos...<p>...
incomingpainalmost 3 years ago
&gt;China preparing to invade Taiwan,<p>China is planning to invade themselves? Sounds to me like you&#x27;ve been reading propaganda that&#x27;s pushing to start a war. Why would China invade themselves?<p>&gt;In the 2010&#x27;s, many people told me &#x27;WWIII will never happen, the world is too interdependent&#x27;.<p>Interdependence isn&#x27;t a factor at all. The only reason WW3 hasn&#x27;t happened yet is weapons of mass destruction. All major players have wmds, if they admit to it or not. Or they could assemble&#x2F;build their wmd within days. I couldn&#x27;t even tell you which is more important.<p>&gt;At this point, to me, another global conflict with massive consequences seems inevitable. There is just enough desperation, social unrest, government corruption, and resource depletion to trigger survival instincts on the largest scale.<p>What seems likely to me is USA has a civil war incoming. They&#x27;ve been at war for decades and their war exhaustion is maxed out. Trillions spent in the middle east killing innocent brown people and back at home? Busted roads.<p>USA seems to need a civil war.