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TSMC to begin 3nm chip production next month

393 pointsby carlycuealmost 3 years ago

18 comments

ChuckMcMalmost 3 years ago
It is hard to imagine the scale of these things, I know if you had tapped me on the shoulder at Intel in the 80's and said, "in 40 years, the chip your looking at will fit in a couple of square mm of silicon." I would not have believed you. Of course it doesn't "really" fit in that small a slice as you need to get the signals into and out of it and those points take space, but it is doesn't take much space.
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eisalmost 3 years ago
So I wonder if the M2 Pro/Max/Ultra will after all be on the N3 node. If N3 HVM starts next month, the A15 being on N5P and it being a year until the A16 on N3 will be released and Apple being the first to use N3... some other Apple silicon needs to use the capacity first, or am I missing something?
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syntaxingalmost 3 years ago
Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but at 3 nm, don’t you get into some weird quantum artifacts because the layers are so stupidly close? Curious how that is addressed?
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klxmarketalmost 3 years ago
Does anyone have rumors&#x2F;insider knowledge about the progression of Epyc&#x2F;Threadripper?<p>Threadripper seems insanely expensive right now, will the next generation be faster at least or use less energy? Or, in other words, does it make sense to wait?
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marcodiegoalmost 3 years ago
If any chip manufacturer can hear me: please, change this metric to transistor per square millimeter. Thanks!
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bogomipzalmost 3 years ago
I had a question. I apologize if this a bit naive. The first slide shows the N3 releases go though 2025 and then we see the arrival of N2. How significant are these numbers in regards to end of Moore&#x27;s law? Will we saw N1 in the next 10 years or is that getting to a process that requires something radically new like carbon nanotubes etc?
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pvsukale3almost 3 years ago
Can someone who is into chips explain how big of a thing this is? And what maybe next?
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Kyealmost 3 years ago
It&#x27;s hard to remember looking at such tiny marginal improvements that they do compound over successive generations. &quot;Only&quot; a few percent is the difference between the Apollo computers and being able to simulate them with Redstone in Minecraft on a consumer computer over the gap of time that separates them.
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nicolaslemalmost 3 years ago
From the outside, having Apple securing the latest and greatest nodes for so long feels kind of anti-competitive.<p>Apple has been selling phones and laptops with N5 for two years and I don&#x27;t think we still have any competing product in the hands of consumers using N5 yet. If I&#x27;m not mistaken Nvidia and AMD are about to release products using N5.
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monksyalmost 3 years ago
Biggest question here I think is the geopolitical things about this: Where will this be developed? My understanding is that the only fabs this is possible is within Taiwan. That&#x27;s a massive issue with the current posturing of war.
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alberthalmost 3 years ago
Seems like this missed Apple&#x27;s M2 &#x2F; iPhone 14 release by a few months.
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unixheroalmost 3 years ago
Are these the same 3nm as Intel operates with? Or are we seeing nano-meter inflation again, in such a way we did with Gigahertz...?
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Kukumberalmost 3 years ago
They are 1 innovation away to become in a position with no way to compete<p>The knowledge and education backlog is way too high for the West<p>Scary times
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cloudengineer94almost 3 years ago
Can&#x27;t wait to see a M2 Pro with 3nm. Looking forward to get 12-15h battery life on a 14&quot; MBP.
sylwarealmost 3 years ago
china invasion too?
squarefootalmost 3 years ago
What about the rest? I mean, how is other less advanced but still important chips scarcity addressed? Their production was hit as well.
daniel-cussenalmost 3 years ago
So sad. Such a waste. Won&#x27;t even make it before the invasion. Trying to be valuable for a worthless president-elect of America.<p>It is not 3 nanometers according the Metric System anyway.<p>Oh well.<p>Mainland flags on the Taiwanese monuments. How many months away, let me check my predictions, I think 70 days or so, give or take 15. Shit getting real hot real fast.
hardware2winalmost 3 years ago
Why do we waste state of art, bleeding edge CPUs manufacture capabilities on some telephones?<p>Who needs phones this fast?
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