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Microbiome-driven effects of non-nutritive sweeteners on human glucose tolerance

136 pointsby masonhippalmost 3 years ago

8 comments

vanilla-almondalmost 3 years ago
I use stevia as a replacement for sugar. This research is difficult to understand for a layperson like me (I&#x27;m too thick). Is anyone able to answer the questions below?<p>---<p><i>Extract</i>: &quot;non-nutritive sweeteners (NNS), such as saccharin, sucralose, aspartame, acesulfame-K, and stevia, that do not contain calories and are thereby presumed to be inert and not elicit a postprandial glycemic response.&quot;<p><i>Question</i>: Does this research confirm that stevia elicits a postprandial glycemic response? (Does stevia stimulate insulin?).<p>---<p><i>Extract</i>: &quot;Notably, all four tested NNS (saccharin, sucralose, aspartame, and stevia) significantly and distinctly altered the human intestinal and oral microbiome, as would be expected for these chemically diverse compounds.&quot;<p><i>Extract</i>: &quot;Degradation of steviol glycosides by gut bacteria is an established component of their metabolism although some species may be more proficient than others in performing this task and thus, pre-exposure microbiome heterogeneity may conduce to differential responses to stevia.&quot;<p><i>Question</i>: So stevia alters the human intestinal and oral microbiome. Are these changes a negative outcome and thus a concern for anyone using stevia?
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tejohnsoalmost 3 years ago
They indicate:<p>&gt; Notably, all four tested NNS (saccharin, sucralose, aspartame, and stevia) significantly and distinctly altered the human intestinal and oral microbiome, as would be expected for these chemically diverse compounds.<p>But also:<p>&gt; Non-nutritive sweeteners (NNS) are commonly integrated into human diet and presumed to be inert<p>So they are presumed to be inert, but also significantly alter microbiome, <i>as would be expected</i> since they are chemically diverse compounds.<p>They indicate it should be obvious that they are not inert at the same time as they are presumed to be inert? And if it&#x27;s obvious that they are not inert then why are there so many unanswered questions while they&#x27;re still allowed into our food system? Is it unreasonable to expect that some newly popular food additive is properly studied before it stats to gain massive adoption in prepared foods?
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apialmost 3 years ago
A glance suggests that Saccharine and Sucralose may be problematic. The others may be “complicated” but the effect also looks close to noise. They should have included some non-sweetener molecules of a similar nature as controls.<p>Sucralose was an instant no to me when I saw the molecule. “Here let’s hang a chlorine off this here sugar.” Nope. I recall seeing similar sentiments in a thread over at Reddit where a biochemist remarked that it looked like a pesticide.<p>The weird complicated molecules in Stevia and Monk Fruit seem safe precisely because they look like something the body is going to hack apart right away and look like all the other complicated molecules found in plants that the body is used to dealing with. Things like blueberries and onions are just loaded with random baroque carbon sculptures like this.
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anjelalmost 3 years ago
Just wondering why sugar alcohols like sorbitol and erythritol were excluded from this study.
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wdwvt1almost 3 years ago
Microbiome researcher here - I feel like this is the time I get to shine in HN threads.<p>The Segal and Elinav labs are powerhouses in computational and gnotobiotic microbiome study. They&#x27;ve published several highly cited papers around interactions between diet, the microbiome, and various host parameters. A couple highlights include this [1] 2015 Cell paper predicting host glycemic response from microbial and dietary information, and this [2] 2014 Nature paper identifying artificial sweeteners as a source of glucose intolerance (mediated through the microbiome).<p>In the current work, they show that two non-nutritive sweeteners (NNS, saccharin and sucralose) impair glucose tolerance, and that the microbiome of individuals most susceptible to NNS-induced glucose-intolerance can transmit some of the phenotype to mice. These data are generated with human cohorts of good size (n=20 per sweetener) over a reasonable time frame (2 weeks of daily NNS administration). Importantly, the levels of NNS that are administered are well below the acceptable daily intake (ADI). For example, sucralose is given at 102 mg&#x2F;day, about 34% of the ADI of 5 mg&#x2F;kg, and reasonably close to an estimate of 1.6 mg&#x2F;kg as average daily consumption in humans (reference in [3]). The strongest data for the paper is with sucralose (and saccharin). The researchers show that consumption of sucralose causes a shift in glycemic response: participants consuming sucralose had higher glucose excursion in a glucose tolerance test (GTT) than those consuming either control diet (Fig 2A, E, F). In addition to GTT changes, sucralose-consuming participants had altered level of 9 identified metabolites (Fig 4B-D).<p>After establishing these baseline results, the researchers search for mechanism by stratifying the sucralose cohort in the top and bottom responders. These are, respectively, the individuals who show most change from baseline in GTT at the end of intervention (2 weeks) and those that show the least. There are differences in metabolites, as well as the biochemical pathways those metabolites come from (TCA cycle) in these two groups (Fig 4E, F). There are correlations between changes in the microbiome (both specific taxa and functional gene categories) and the changes in measured metabolite levels as well (Fig 5).<p>In figure 6, the researchers present their strongest data. The researchers inoculate groups of germ-free mice with fecal samples from the sucralose participants from either the baseline or end of intervention. 4 groups of mice receive the feces of the top 1-4 responders (most perturbed GTT), 3 groups receive feces from the bottom 1-3 responders, and each of these is compared to a group receiving baseline feces. The purpose of this test is to see if the microbiome, altered by sucralose administration, can cause impaired glucose tolerance in mice that have never been exposed to sucralose. The researchers show that indeed there is significant glucose-tolerance impairment in mice that receive post-sucralose feeding feces, though interetingly they show that both bottom- and top-responder feces causes this (Fig 6A, G). They show that baseline samples from bottom- and top-responders do not cause differences in glucose tolerance (Fig 8C), showing that something about the sucralose treatment changes microbial composition to promote glucose intolerance. The researchers attempt to find a mechanistic explanation for the differences by comparing groups of mice colonized with top- and bottom-responder (grouped by baseline or end of intervention) feces.<p>Ultimately, this is an extremely impressive paper representing a lot of work (and many storied I haven&#x27;t recapped). Like many microbiome papers, I think it oversells the mechanistic and physiologically relevant aspects of the research.<p>1. The data is presented in ways that maximize statistical significance with very little reference to the scale of the actual change. a. Fig 4 B-D and Fig 5 B, D, F show significant metabolite differences but give no reference to actual changes in blood concentration (also Fig 5 metabolites not significant after FDR correction). Without isotope-dilution mass spectrometry (which this is not), it&#x27;s hard to tell how large the changes are in the blood metabolites. The relationship between concentration of a metabolite and measured area on a mass spec is a power function (for different metabolites exponents can be less or greater than 1), and so this data may represent a lot of change in concentration or very little. In addition, the authors rely on GTT differences to tell the story, but what is the scale of these changes? It is not clear that there is physiological relevance to this scale of change. b. Many of the metrics used are hard to relate to physiologically relevant quantities and allow researcher degrees of freedom. As an example Fig 3 ordinates the participant samples using a principal components projection of the microbial gene annotations. The loadings determining the ordination - and selected for highlight are shown in Fig 3 G-J. The researchers group several of these loadings into super pathways (e.g. purine metabolism) but it&#x27;s very hard to tell if this kind of difference reflects a functional capacity change in the microbiome (and certainly gives no data about the actual transcription of these genes). Any of these groupings could be highlighted, allowing a lot of flexibility in the storytelling with no penalization for multiple hypotheses. c. Fig 8J &quot;Spearman correlation of sucrose degradation pathway fold change abundance (day 21&#x2F;baseline) with fold difference in GTT-AUC of each of the conventionalized mouse groups.&quot; This is so far away from physiology it&#x27;s hard to say what it means.<p>2. Both Eran Segal and Eran Elinav are co-founders of the company DayTwo - a personalized microbiome company that helps diabetics manage their symptoms with microbiome based analytics and treatments. The paper feels like it explores the &#x27;personalization angle&#x27; and the expense of other mechanistic studies. For example, the importance of osmolarity on the microbiome and how phenotypes around osmostress might be contributing to the resulting host phenotypes.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S0092867415014816" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S009286741...</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;nature13793?tdc_uid=921043" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;nature13793?tdc_uid=921043</a> [3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;foodinsight.org&#x2F;everything-you-need-to-know-about-sucralose&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;foodinsight.org&#x2F;everything-you-need-to-know-about-su...</a>
clearwindalmost 3 years ago
Anecdotally, as a type 1 diabetic it’s very interesting to observe different effects of sugars and sweeteners on my continuous blood glucose sensor over time.<p>For example DASH is a zero-calorie but sweet drink I have tried a couple of times and it makes my body chart a course for the moon.<p>Another drink called Gusto seems to have replaced sugars with Agave syrup, which works well at first but after several days builds up intolerance or something.<p>Modern regular orange juice is like a load of TNT with a 4 minute fuse.<p>Recently white wine and sparkling white wine instantly start making my sugar readings hop around erratically, moment by moment. (Not something I saw before about 4 months ago - before that it would be more like a steady incline.<p>The disruptors have made their way over to food and drink, it seems.
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ohiovralmost 3 years ago
Would this show on an A1C assay?
edwnjalmost 3 years ago
no free lunch