I agree with all of that. The defensiveness that comes with writing for HN (and Twitter) makes me a worse writer too. It's not just about being careful and precise, but about being super defensive to avoid the most uncharitable possible reading.<p>Perhaps more unfortunately, I find that writing for academic conferences and journals makes me a worse writer too. It's different, but having to laser focus on 'selling' the paper throughout the paper makes it hard to communicate. Many of my favorite CS papers could never be published in a 'good' journal or conference today. Good research writing is really hard, but it seems like the publication process makes it harder, not easier.
I'm reminded of PG's "How To Write Usefully":<p>> Should you explicitly forestall likely misinterpretations? Yes, if they're misinterpretations a reasonably smart and well-intentioned person might make. In fact it's sometimes better to say something slightly misleading and then add the correction than to try to get an idea right in one shot. That can be more efficient, and can also model the way such an idea would be discovered.<p>> But I don't think you should explicitly forestall intentional misinterpretations in the body of an essay. An essay is a place to meet honest readers. You don't want to spoil your house by putting bars on the windows to protect against dishonest ones. The place to protect against intentional misinterpretations is in end-notes. But don't think you can predict them all. People are as ingenious at misrepresenting you when you say something they don't want to hear as they are at coming up with rationalizations for things they want to do but know they shouldn't. I suspect it's the same skill.<p><a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/useful.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulgraham.com/useful.html</a>
> I came to expect pedantic, judgmental feedback on everything I wrote, regardless of what it was.<p>And this is one reason I've been resistant to identifying with nerd / hacker culture for a long time. Everytime I encountered it it was often just a pissing contest about things anyone could easily look up and prove both the arguing assholes were both wrong / right as often was the case.
<p><pre><code> window.location.href = 'https://google.com/';
That snippet redirects people who arrive at macwright.com from Hacker News.
</code></pre>
My pi.hole blocks google.com, so the redirect failed and macwright.com loaded as usual.<p>To be fair, my comment probably allays whatever doubt the author might have about blocking HN :)
I think it's fine for an author to attempt to exclude some readers/virality.<p>In general I sense a lot of HN-hate, and I get it: HN comments can be pedantic, can be know-it-all, can be Silicon Valley centric, and supports threading which often leads to bickering or uninteresting low-value tangents.<p>I... ignore threads that don't interest me or that seem overly confident.<p>I don't understand why stereotyping and hating happens, but it isn't new.
He should redirect to <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacWrite" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacWrite</a> as HN would easily get distracted.
I'm lucky enough to have met Tom. So much of his writing and online persona made a lot more sense to me having had that experience.<p>He's a really excellent person, and I'm glad he does the things he does.
If you look at most of the submissions over the past year and a half, most of them appear to come from 2 submitters who are in the HN top 10, often posting the same link more than once. (many of the most prolific submitters spam the site with 20-30 links per day, and I assume they make the rounds to many of the typical sites we see here often when farming karma)
The point about the effects defensive writing has on writing quality resonates. Writing is a big part of my work and I've begun to realise that I write defensively - spending time couching things in a context, inserting caveats everywhere, going on asides to deal with potential challenges - it makes for a terribly long and meandering read, whatever point I had to make buried beneath shields of parentheses and moats of footnotes.<p>Unfortunately, I don't see how to escape it, at least for me that's just the nature of the work.<p>Also I use NoScript so the redirect didn't work for me.
Did he disable it for this article? Because I got through without doing anything unusual.<p>But also: I don't really get why he'd want to do that. I read the article, and I get his complaints, but they don't really seem to have anything to do with other people reading his site. They sound like reasons for _him_ to not post to and engage on HN, not reasons to try to stop people coming from HN from reading his site. His site doesn't seem to have comments, so why does it matter who reads it? I really must be missing something.
At least it's a bit nicer than JWZ (whose car got cut off by some techbro once) does. His site (not linked to obviously) displays a rude image if it detects a HN link incoming.
This does make me curious about the pattern of upvoting. It seems likely that usually people upvote without clicking on the referral link first, but I wonder what the percentage is.<p>For the record I have macwright.com as well as the top upvoted HN links in my RSS feed.
Interesting, even "Open link in private tab" (ff mobile) gets the redirect. I'd been assuming that that wouldn't send a referer. I suppose it probably doesn't ignore the "ping" attribute either...
I’ve thought about writing an extension to hide the top comment on every article because it’s often a pedantic disagreement with whatever the article is about, but not always (like in this case).<p>I do totally agree that the best writing comes not when you’re trying to build the ultimate defense against takedowns, but when you can express yourself more creatively.
If you open it incognito, you can read the actual post.<p>try {
if (document.referrer) {
const ref = new URL(document.referrer);
if (ref.host === 'news.ycombinator.com') {
window.location.href = '<a href="https://google.com/';" rel="nofollow">https://google.com/';</a>
}
}
} catch (e) { }
if y'all want a less friendly example of the same check out jwz's site: <a href="https://www.jwz.org/blog/" rel="nofollow">https://www.jwz.org/blog/</a>
Things I learned today. Apparently, opening a link in a new tab doesn't set the referring host domain. [discovered by, opening story in a new tab and wondering what the author meant]
Sick dude. The commentary on this website is often kind of lame and I've found that lots of people who frequent it make the mistake of trying to pre-empt middle-brow comments. Don't do that. Write for those who get you.<p>Overly pedantic intentional misunderstandings pervade comments here and if you react to those by trying to defend against them you weaken yourself. Love it!
Here’s what the author, Tom MacWright, has to say about it (which you can read on his blog, as long as you don’t click on a link from here):<p>“If you’re lucky, you end up being good at a few things. If you’re really lucky, those are also the things you like doing. I’m good at writing articles that get upvoted and discussed on Hacker News, or news.ycombinator.com. But I don’t like it.<p>Writing on the internet can be a two-way thing, a learning experience guided by iteration and feedback. I’ve learned some bad habits from Hacker News. I added Caveats sections to articles to make sure that nobody would take my points too broadly. I edited away asides and comments that were fun but would make articles less focused. I came to expect pedantic, judgmental feedback on everything I wrote, regardless of what it was.<p>Writing for the Hacker News audience makes my writing worse.<p>I don’t like what Hacker News has become – or a lot of the web, for that matter. But I’m part of the discourse. I’ve written critical articles, mean tweets, silly comments, the whole lot of it. It’s impossible to separate one thing from another and neatly place blame. But it’s simple to notice a thing you want less of and turn it off.<p>So I can flex the freedom of an independent blog by embracing what seems good and pushing away what I don’t like. Redirecting Hacker News links away from this website makes sense to me. Traffic to this website doesn’t pay my bills. Disengaged readers just looking for a hot take don’t return to my site, or recognize me when I write something else, or write blog posts of their own and bring new creativity to the indie web.<p>Maybe posts will be less viral (I can hear, as I write that, someone writing “you haven’t written a hit in years, Tom!”), but writing viral posts or maximizing hits wasn’t my goal when I set out and it isn’t now.<p>Anyway, the RSS feed works great. The HTML site works pretty well. I tweet most new articles I write. Business as usual, just less of the orange site.”