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Leonardo Syndrome

122 pointsby memorableover 2 years ago

19 comments

simonsarrisover 2 years ago
I get the author&#x27;s point but this is kind of an odd read. He did finish the horse inasmuch as possible. He made full clay models. He never completed it only because Ludovico needed the bronze to make cannons for defense instead. But that&#x27;s not his fault.<p>And making experimental paints that happened to not last very long is also not a failure to finish something. It&#x27;s just an experiment.<p>&gt; misunderstanding several aspects of the heart<p>These few words don&#x27;t really give his work justice. He discovered&#x2F;theorized how the aortic valve and its leaflets worked that was correct and wasn&#x27;t really conclusively proved for another 400 years. (He was nonetheless wrong about blood circulation, generally)<p>&gt; to the Mona Lisa - which in itself is unfinished<p>I don&#x27;t know. He worked on it for 4 years, taking it with him everywhere, and if it is really unfinished it may be because his right hand was simply starting to paralyze. There&#x27;s more to be said about perfectionism in the Mona Lisa than Leonardo syndrome.<p>Leonardo definitely started far more than he could finish (disappointing a lot of patrons), and had a somewhat self-aggrandizing streak in what he claimed he could do, but the examples here are not super accurate. As much as I wasn&#x27;t crazy about the Walter Isaacson bio its worth reading if you want a better picture of his accomplishments and failures.<p>At the end of the day he is remembered because he did actually have a very large set of detailed ideas, drawings, plans, and accomplishments. Most of us would love to have created a work of art as unfinished as the Mona Lisa.
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teddyhover 2 years ago
Charles Babbage may be a more fitting example:<p><i>In the first room I saw the parts of the original Calculating Machine, which had been shown in an incomplete state many years before and had even been put to some use. I asked him about its present form. “I have not finished it because in working at it I came on the idea of my Analytical Engine, which would do all that it was capable of doing and much more. Indeed the idea was so much simpler that it would have taken more work to complete the calculating machine than to design and construct the other in its entirety, so I turned my attention to the Analytical Machine.” After a few minutes’ talk we went into the next workroom where he showed and explained to me the working of the elements of the Analytical Machine. I asked if I could see it. “I have never completed it,” he said, “because I hit upon the idea of doing the same thing by a different and far more effective method, and this rendered it useless to proceed on the old lines.” Then we went into the third room. There lay scattered bits of mechanism but I saw no trace of any working machine. Very cautiously I approached the subject, and received the dreaded answer, “It is not constructed yet, but I am working at it, and will take less time to construct it altogether than it would have taken to complete the Analytical Machine from the stage in which I left it.” I took leave of the old man with a heavy heart.</i><p>— John Fletcher Moulton, 1914
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DerekBickertonover 2 years ago
I think I have Leonardo Syndrome. The Internet being so vast, there&#x27;s countless things to try out and hack away at, and I have countless unfinished projects hoarded away on my hard-drives. I&#x27;m not actually a hoarder in the typical sense of keeping old newspapers for posterity and I&#x27;m actually a minimalist, but when it comes to my digital life: the ease of being able to keep mountains of the proverbial &#x27;old newspapers&#x27; is magnified a trillion^trillion times.<p>Leonardo would be paralyzed by the modern web. I find myself also becoming like a magpie, gathering little snippets of code that one day may come in handy, and my bookmarks are overflowing with interesting actionable URLs that I plan to revisit <i>someday</i>. I&#x27;m a digital hoarder who likes to procrastinate a lot. Probably need to change that, or is this a natural response to the sheer vastness of the web and the only sane way to approach it?
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CobrastanJorjiover 2 years ago
&gt; Examples of his failure include not successfully squaring the circle<p>Seems kind of mean to attack a guy for failing to finish something later proven to be impossible.
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Sophistifunkover 2 years ago
This isn&#x27;t a &quot;syndrome&quot; it&#x27;s normal adaptive behaviour. Like everything you encounter in the real world, 80% of everything you decide to start doesn&#x27;t actually need to be finished. Sometimes you need to start something in order to learn you&#x27;re not willing to pay the price to have it finished, or you don&#x27;t really need it.
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f1shyover 2 years ago
&gt;&gt; Leonardo da Vinci himself. Despite being one of the most famous polymaths and creators in history - who doesn’t know about him?! - he was also somebody prone to failure.<p>I actually prefer to think to myself: failure is not even trying. If not, I would not start many things and finish few, but never start anything at all...
1970-01-01over 2 years ago
&gt;Examples of his failures included not successfully squaring the circle, multiple engineering designs that didn’t work such as a giant crossbow and a flying machine, misunderstanding several aspects of the heart, and experimental painting designs that resulted in the slow degradation of a painting.<p>The author is counting experiments and learning as failures. The squared circle is outright impossible. Only when expectations are set to God on Earth is Leo a &quot;failure&quot;.
2devnullover 2 years ago
We’re broken by the language: work vs play is a bad distinction. When you apply criterion from “work” to “play” it appears as though there are many failures and false starts. We should do both, and at the same time.
simplyinfinityover 2 years ago
Honestly, this sounds to me like an analytical&#x2F;creative mind with ADHD.
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stuntkiteover 2 years ago
Syndrome. Fuckin&#x27; stupid. I explore things because I like them. Frequently things I&#x27;m exploring are years ahead of where the world needs them and I&#x27;m doing big lifts to make them &quot;work&quot; but even when they work the world doesn&#x27;t need them.<p>OP sees the things they didn&#x27;t finish as failures. The win is enjoying exploring something, not what the world thinks about it or uses.<p>For sure there&#x27;s things I plan to go back to and hope to get back to. And finished things I hope the world cares about one day... but yeah. Exploration of reality isn&#x27;t a game of capture the flag. If you do get it, so what? The only reason to really do hard things, like really really really hard things is because you liked pursuing it.
siviziusover 2 years ago
There is also another term for this: ADHD. Even though ADHD does not really have anything to do with attention, it is more of a motivation-issue, which can led to starting new, promising projects instead of finishing projects, because you find more and more obstacles.
alecfreudenbergover 2 years ago
These kind of people just do what they want. They have no internal obligation to complete a project, even if they at some point agreed to it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=r-QW-0yi86c" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=r-QW-0yi86c</a>
dqpbover 2 years ago
Breadth First Search
paulpauperover 2 years ago
Yahoo&#x2F;Google&#x2F;Microsoft syndrome: the tendency to arbitrarily cancel projects without warning, usually after an acquisition is made.
jaclazover 2 years ago
As a side note, the &quot;presentation&quot; letter that Leonardo sent to Ludovico Sforza to apply for a job remains a masterpiece:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lettersofnote.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;03&#x2F;28&#x2F;the-skills-of-leonardo-da-vinci&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lettersofnote.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;03&#x2F;28&#x2F;the-skills-of-leonardo-...</a>
bergentyover 2 years ago
I hate I’m saying this but this reticle strangely feels validating to me. I’ve definitely finished things before but I have a string of 80-90% finished products that I just can’t muster the drive to finish.
ChrisMarshallNYover 2 years ago
Finishing <i>(i.e. shipping)</i> stuff is a pain.<p>At some point, we reach the part where the fun stuff is done. We&#x27;ve learned pretty much everything we can, from the exercise, and it&#x27;s &quot;90%&quot; done.<p>That last 10%, however, is a <i>bear</i>. Many, many folks never bother with it.<p>In a lot of cases, that&#x27;s fine. The main purpose was learning, and there&#x27;s really not enough &quot;market pull&quot; to justify finishing the project.<p>If there is a requirement to see it through to completion (like, say, a contract, with your signature on it), then we need to complete that last 10%, even if it&#x27;s boring.<p>There&#x27;s a joke: <i>&quot;90% of the project is completed in 10% of the time. 10% of the project is completed in 90% of the time.&quot;</i> (there are many variants, thereof).<p>Ever notice how, when a new building is going up, it appears to be &quot;complete,&quot; in an astonishingly short time? Then, it&#x27;s twice as long, before the doors open?<p>That&#x27;s because making the exterior and structure is straightforward, and can be done by just about anyone. Framing, windows, doors, roofing, masonry, etc., are skills, but not extremely specialized.<p>The interior stuff, though, requires a <i>lot</i> of skill. You can&#x27;t just bring in some half-trained hammer monkey. You need the experienced finish carpenters, and the expensive painters, etc. These folks are harder to schedule, and won&#x27;t rush the job. Their work is what people will see, up close, every day, so it needs a lot of polish, and has to be robust.<p>Same with any product.<p>I&#x27;m writing an SDK, right now. It was probably 90% complete, last week, but I wrote a pretty beefy test harness for it, and I am now implementing a whole bunch of &quot;live server&quot; unit tests. I am finding bugs in my implementation (I always do), and I&#x27;m fixing them, as I go along. I&#x27;m also encountering the &quot;little things,&quot; that I forgot to implement.<p>Once I have the unit tests all humming along to my satisfaction (I tend to write unit tests after the fact, for SDKs. I write about that here[0]), I&#x27;ll flesh out the documentation.<p>Only then, when I can release the project as a standalone package, will I return to the main app, that is my initial consumer of the SDK, and I&#x27;ll need to integrate it; replacing an older SDK (that I also wrote).<p>Lot of boring stuff, but it means that I don&#x27;t have to worry about this very critical (and dicey) communication infrastructure, when working on the main app.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;littlegreenviper.com&#x2F;blah-blah-blah&#x2F;testing-harness-vs-unit&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;littlegreenviper.com&#x2F;blah-blah-blah&#x2F;testing-harness-...</a>
roelesover 2 years ago
I wonder if we would even have heard of the guy if he would have sticked to one problem and attempted to finish it entirely.
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black_13over 2 years ago
He was still Leonardo.