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Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

29 pointsby terseusover 2 years ago

10 comments

teagoatover 2 years ago
To sum up the article, they claim:<p><pre><code> * Somebody (probably America) sabotaged the Nordstream 2 gas pipeline. * That&#x27;s related to the war in Ukraine because? wars are always about resources? * The EU doesn&#x27;t have any options to replace the gas that needs to come from Russia. * That&#x27;s going to drive all EU citizens back to an agrarian lifestyle. * And also, the EU is too weak of an institution to defend its citizens. </code></pre> It reeks of conspiracy theory to me. EU citizens should hate the US for driving them into poverty and should embrace Russia invading their neighbor.<p>One of the first results that comes up for me when I search &quot;Nordstream 2&quot; is the Brooking institute discussing similar conspiracy theories spreading among podcasters in the US, parroting the Kremlin: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.brookings.edu&#x2F;techstream&#x2F;u-s-podcasters-spread-kremlin-narratives-on-nord-stream-sabotage&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.brookings.edu&#x2F;techstream&#x2F;u-s-podcasters-spread-k...</a>
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spaceman_2020over 2 years ago
I’m currently in Chiang Mai, a city known for its digital nomad&#x2F;entrepreneurship scene. Lots of European natives here who’ve been in the city for months. Many have even moved here permanently.<p>Talking to them, there is a definite sense of pessimism, bordering on fatalism, about them. Some of this is reflected in salaries - skilled white collar workers get paid well on average in Europe, but their salaries haven’t kept pace with the rest of the world, including (and especially) America. Even as an Indian, most of my peer group makes similar wages as their European counterparts, without even factoring in purchasing power.<p>What I mean to say is that it might all seem to be crumbling down now, but the decline seems to have started a while back.
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akieover 2 years ago
One of the constant refrains in the Anglo-Saxon world is to describe Europe and the EU as permanently on the verge of collapse. It has not occurred so far, and it will not occur this time either.
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gaddersover 2 years ago
Is it me, or does he skirt over Europe not working increasing the supply of gas locally? I&#x27;m not saying they could replace Russia or the US, but they could almost certainly produce more (whether via fracking or whatever).
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hackandthinkover 2 years ago
Related:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;infosannio.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;10&#x2F;01&#x2F;lamico-tedesco&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;infosannio.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;10&#x2F;01&#x2F;lamico-tedesco&#x2F;</a><p>(Massimo Gramellini - corriere.it) - For anyone who feels like a citizen of Europe, it was sad to see proof that our German-speaking compatriot Olaf Scholz essentially thinks of his own comforts. Not content with having backed the Dutch comrade in turning a deaf ear (it must be said) to the request to put a ceiling on the price of gas, the chancellor of Berlin hijacked two hundred billion of the German budget on the German bills, with many greetings to whom - for example the Italian budget - those two hundred billion do not have them.
bitLover 2 years ago
NOKIA is pretty much a muster for the future of Europe. Made a headless chicken by US investors that needed to save their investments in Microsoft and going from a dominant force in one emerging market to an afterthought in two years.
calaverainfoover 2 years ago
This is a textbook piece of propaganda targeting the smart people, a real gem. The core principle lies in this sentence &quot;The war in Ukraine is mostly a sideshow&quot;. With fascinating lightness it completely inverts the size of a story of one of the biggest countries in the world becoming fascist and attacking a neighbor in most boody war since WW2 which was several years in the making and a story of one infrastructure attack. The war and it&#x27;s culprit is too obvious to attack directly, but what a propagandist can still try is to shift focus from the obvious main story to uncertain sidestory and switching their importance. Using the uncertainty of the sidestory it&#x27;s then possible to use a lot of true arguments which convinces even the smart people if they miss the initial &quot;significance inversion&quot;.
TheMagicHorseyover 2 years ago
This is Russian&#x2F;Tankie propoganda. Notice how the author subtly implies that America was the instigator in cutting Russian supplies to EU. Ignoring the fact that it was Putin who invaded Ukraine and Crimea, and started this whole sequence of events. It was Putin who decided to cut gas supplies, long before the pipeline was sabotaged.<p>This is motivated article which speaks half-truths with the goal of casting events in a particular light to advantage Russian interests. I would dig further into the author&#x27;s motivations.
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djaouenover 2 years ago
This is stupidity. Renewable energy will win in the end.
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roody15over 2 years ago
Good Article. No question the events in Ukraine coincide with Nord Streak 2 about to go online.<p>The amount of war time propaganda on the Ukraine conflict has hit overdrive status and I would expect this article to “disappear” quickly.<p>There is little room to discuss the larger geopolitic situation. Instead a simplified narrative of<p>“Putin is an evil dictator invading a peaceful democracy and must be stopped at all costs”<p>And<p>“Ukraine is winning and will reclaim all territory including Crimea!!”<p>Is all that is allowed.
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