> - Rounding of corners. Religion at this point<p>> - Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode<p>> - Animations. Haven't seen them but it will be filled<p>Seriously, HN? This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Unlike the author, I happen to have used this UI for the past five months and it solves many of my longstanding gripes with IntelliJ:<p>- Gutters are now much better at highlighting local changes, while also being less visually obtrusive.<p>- The shaded tool window background nicely separates them from the editor<p>- Showing the git branch next to the title makes it so much easier to understand where I am, when I work with multiple projects and branches.<p>- Breadcrumbs in the Statusbar save some space and look much cleaner<p>---<p>Also, many of the complaints that I've seen in this thread are either wrong or exaggerated:<p>- "Monochrome icons" - Only the toolbar icons are monochrome, everything else still uses coloured icons.<p>- "The toolbar has less icons now" - It's customisable, you can put whatever you want in there. Yes, with colourful icons.<p>- "More Whitespace" - The vertical space from the top of the screen to the editor is the exact same. The Project view actually looses some vertical space, but only because the font size is bigger (Which you can change obviously). The spacing between the list items is the same according to a designer on Slack.<p>- "This is just some incompetent designer pushing their agenda on us, breaking my workflow because something something trends" - go touch grass.<p>And finally, just to be clear: no, there are no animations - everything is instant.
Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it.<p>I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem currently like how slow indexing is and how disruptive it is when you do a clean re-install and it indexes all your dependencies again.<p>I have tried spacemacs which gives a lot of functionality out the box with less configuration needed than DIY vim or emacs but it still just doesn’t compare to the ease of use of Jetbrains IDEs across languages (I use Java, Python, Ruby and Typescript every week).
Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea.<p>If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too.<p>Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing.<p>Even if you stop launching new features into your product for next few years, I'll still happily pay you folks just because your product is so damn perfect as of now.<p>Please don't ruin it. Forget what VSCode is doing. They are far far far behind you folks. Don't let THEM ruin your product.
I've actually used the new UI, on Rider and WebStorm on Linux. It's not bad, and majority of changes make it more usable. When I go back to an older install, I prefer the new UI.<p>- Increased margins/padding: At first, I thought it was a waste of space - but things are now easier to click on. I realised this when loading an older version on another machine. I'd still like to be able to tweak this - the document tabs are too padded.<p>- The main menu was hidden inside a hamburger menu. This was nasty - fortunately there's a "Show main menu in toolbar" option. This really should be on by default for non-mac.<p>- I wasn't keen on the darker colour scheme, I switched back to the old dark - it took less than a minute to learn I actually prefer the new one.<p>- Can only have 4 <i>docked</i> tool windows open at once (2 side, 2 bottom).<p>- Toolbars are easier to customise, but I wish I could combine the navigation bar into it, as I only have a few buttons on the right.<p>- The bright blue "run/debug" toolbar is distracting<p>- I've not noticed any removal of colour from the menu icons, and there are no animations<p>Overall, there isn't much to be upset about - took me minutes to get used to, no nowhere near as bad as the Visual Studio 2013 UI refresh.
I love how all the panels/windows in Jetbrains are just text. Like "run", "maven", "database", "terminal". The new icons take up more than twice the space (thickness vs the vertical text), and conveys nothing at all about what they do.<p>Also one of the reasons I'm not that thrilled about Fleet. I get it's easy to just in general be negative to change. But these are professional tools. I've used it for over a decade. I don't need it to be dumbed down.<p>Right now I'm comfortable and never enjoyed VSCode and others. But if I'm forced this change, what's stopping me then from trying a completely different IDE?
If they end up removing the current UI I’ll end up cancelling my subscription. I’ve been a very happy paying customer for over 8 years now but this is ridiculous.<p>The current UI has text (!!) tabs instead of bland non descriptive icons. It has toolbars and menu items that I can configure.<p>I understand that the current generation of new developers are intimidated by so much raw power at their hands ;) But we have got to stop dumbing things down. It is killing a lot of experience and knowledge and will come back to haunt us as a society.<p>Jetbrains is currently THE reference when it comes to professional IDEs, changing what they’re doing will not go well for them :-(
I actually _really_ like these changes, but then again I was previously a VS Code user. I think JetBrains is specifically courting users who, like me, don't deal well with user interfaces that utilize large numbers of text labels. I think they're catching up to "modern design", and trying to skate to where the puck is so to speak.<p>However, I do want to point out that I don't think the author has actually used the new UI considering they mention the overuse of animations, considering that the new UI doesn't have _any_ as far as I can tell.
I really like the new UI (and all the other similar modern UIs) and I just can't pretend like I dont.<p>I'm a very visual and a design oriented person and I want my tools to look good. If I'm going to spend countless hours using a product/tool I want to enjoy it's looks as well. Too many tools in my opinion are designed by people who want to maximize productivity with very utilitarian and practical user interfaces (which is great!) but don't seem to have enough care for making something that looks beautiful at the same time.
I love Jebrains IDEs. They can save you lot of time. For example, VSCode does not even come close to Jetbrains git branch comparison. It's insanely good. I think a proper IDE is always better than adding 10s of extension to get similar functionality from VScode. Even then it does not compare to the beast that is Jetbrains IDE.<p>Jetbrains should keep working on their own thing instead of trying to change because of someone else. This holds true for people as well.
Yet another another great product that is falling prey to the newism ideology where change is almost worshipped for its own sake. You see this problem everywhere nowadays from Cinemas to architecture. People have lost the ability to appreciate timeless designs. Another good example of this is the new Apple iPhone 14 pro hole. To many it is better because it is newer. Never mind that the fact that there is actually now a narrow band of useless pixels at the top of the hole and overall contiguous vertical center screen height is reduced.
So company internal proof of work produces UI Components, that over time make a "breaking" change necessary destroying user work worth in the billions and a pr-word of mouth disaster.
Worser still, all those features accumulating over time (nobody deletes codes) destroy the product.
So as a product manager you can
a)<p>Anticipate it, create UIs that allow for large scale changes without breaking the old user flow and automatically prioritize hotkey-commands by user usage if there is a conflict. You also need to stop the Designers from going amok, rendering the whole tutorial section of your product on youtube obsolete. It will always be a paint point, but as you anticipated the bloat on success you integrated it into the architecture.<p>b)
Phoenix Lifecycle it. When it all becomes to much, a smaller, more lightweight version of your product emerges out of the ashes, capable of integrating the newest, shiniest changes, without having the weight of all the bloat, it is first ignored, laughed at, finally emulated and it becomes your new product.
There it slowly aggregates the same bloat, waiting for a challenger to appear.
Its inevitable.<p>Is your IDE still a program, or is it in fact a OS for interacting addons and a really hungry text editor?
I honestly like it. IMO IntelliJ UIs were unnecessarily clunky. Vertical text was weird, and hard to read for me on higher resolutions, along with really small icons that forced you to actually parse the list for what I need. If you’re on a small resolution and have a lot of tool windows on the left side, the upper left tool window text and lower left texts runs into each other. Bottom bar was inconsistent, the items on that bar constantly change. 2 bars of vertical text, and an endless bottom bar, it felt like they were trying to back my editor into a corner. After using it like that for years, I finally gave up, just disabled most UI components and tolerated suboptimal keyboard shortcuts for finding and using tool windows. This UI update for the first time feels like I’m not flanked by clutter in a Jetbrains IDE
These up trends make me nuts. Just like so much of apple’s desktop apps like App Store are removing classic list interfaces with two column collections views. Totally non standard, so lacking all of the useful filtering/alerting by column, etc.<p>Why?? For more white space.
> Removal of color from icons.<p>Software is getting very depressing as designers decide that everything needs to be shades of grey. It's really sad.
Maybe I don't understand the praise but the JetBrains UI is one of the most clunky UIs I've ever used for coding. I'm honestly glad to see something more VSCode-like in Fleet.
After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode.<p>IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot.<p>Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later!<p>I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore.<p>The company is a victim of its own success if you ask me. And that's a shame.<p>VSCode isn't perfect, but it does 90% of what IntelliJ does, and arguably 40% of it better. Also VSCode <i>is faster</i> which still boggles my mind as to how that's possible. I suppose the buttload of cash that Microsoft has thrown at it probably helps there... Since IntelliJ went through their "milliseconds latency blabla" years ago, it's gone downhill.<p>I imagine that retina pixel displays + java 2nd class child on the macOS platform = big oof (pre-metal).<p>I dream of a native vscode-like IDE...
JetBrains also published a separate post addressing the concerns about the new UI <a href="https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/06/addressing-the-new-ui-comments/" rel="nofollow">https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/06/addressing-the-new-u...</a>
I've been happily paying for my own WebStorm license for 7 years—using it at home and at work. In the middle of that, I tried VS Code for a whole year at a new job, to really see how it compared (my new team was using it).<p>It wasn't better in any way. In fact, most days I just missed WebStorm, but I soldiered on to see if I could find anything that was truly an improvement. At the end of my self-imposed, one-year trial, I concluded that VS Code had just one "advantage": it was free. Its barrier to entry was zero, from a pricing perspective. But since I had really given VS Code a fair shake, I gladly went back to WebStorm at work.<p>Fast forward to this year, when I ran head on into a serious WebStorm performance problem: type checking a very large TypeScript code base. The WebStorm logs show that the TypeScript language server is crashing, and I filed a bug with JetBrains many months ago, but zero progress. VS Code, on the other hand, has no problem type checking this huge code base—it happens near instantly. For months I have now had WebStorm open for editing, and VS Code open for type checking, which is ridiculous, and I'd be embarrassed if my team knew I was doing this.<p>It pains me greatly to say it, but perhaps the time has come to cancel my WebStorm license and just switch to VS Code.<p>I mean, why not, if JetBrains is just set on copying VS Code anyway? I'll take better performance with a worse UI, and it seems like that's precisely what VS Code can give me at this point. How sad.
Software companies have trained me to not update my software. By now, when an update for an application or OS is available, I assume the new version is worse, and am usually right. Either I'm going to lose some functionality that I relied on, the UX is going to get shuffled around on me, or it's just going to get bigger and slower on my old machine.<p>Instead of doing automatic updates, I delay updating until the company forces me to choose between updating and not using the software--and only then do I make the hard choice. I wish that every software would provide security updates on a separate track from the usual "UX rewrite" and "Feature cram" downgrades. That way, I can stay on the oldest version (the one that works the best), yet get critical security updates so I can use it safely.<p>Web software, too! Reddit is the obvious example, but everywhere they're changing for the sake of change and usually making it worse. For example, Vanguard (the brokerage) recently did a site-wide update. They basically removed lots of critical functionality (including the only thing I actually visit their web site to do regularly) and replaced it with whitespace and fluff. For a while, they let you remain on the old site. Then they made it more difficult to find the link to the old site. Finally I got an E-mail saying that they'd charge my account a fee unless I "migrated" my account to the new site. Talk about end-user hostility. Now I just call them on the phone to do my rollovers, likely costing them more money. Good job, morons.
This absolutely cracks me up. Developers reacting like every user who has the perfectly functional UI/UX pulled out from under them. Shoe on the other foot as it were. Perhaps there's a lesson here for developers of software, their management, and/or companies who take part in this UI/UX churn for churns sake.<p>The problem here is that statistics, and feedback, doesn't inform about the negative. All the users out there who are happily using your software in its current state and are perfectly happy with it but can't be assed to take the time to fill out your survey. As the saying goes "you can't improve what you don't measure." This should have continued something like "so be sure to consider what you can't measure". You can't force everyone to take your survey.<p>Sure in part that puts the blame on the users who don't bother to fill out the survey. But that shouldn't also give the right to ignore them and what they might want. Perhaps a non-vote should be counted as a vote for no change instead of simply being ignored. It's pretty well known that the squeaky wheel gets the grease but that shouldn't mean the entire UI should be slathered in the grease the squeaky wheel wants but no one else asked for.
Yes, vim + a couple of plugins. It has it’s downsides, but one thing it does well is being familiar, and never breaking a contract. Even the plugins themselves can be pinned to a certain version.
> and many of our new users tell us that the UI appears heavyweight and dated.<p>Since IntellIJ is available for many languages / platforms (Java, Android, Python, PHP, Rust, etc.) I'm seriously interested from which user group this is coming. Because in this context "dated" seems to mean: "does not look like VSCode". Since most Java devs I know don't even use VSCode I doubt it's coming from that user group.
As others, I would much prefer they would just shovel this money into fixing bugs. I have simple bugs opened FOR YEARS and they only fix them if there's some backlash, like many people commenting and showing discontent.
Am I the only one who has a mostly clear IDE? Stock Jetbrains IDEs are way too cluttered.<p>You can replace the entire menu bar and a few other things with learning the shortcut to search Actions and the omni search shortcut for code & more. So long as those are retained in the new UI, I don't see the issue here.<p>Tangent: This to me is the same as the obsession with multiple monitors. You don't need it. Virtual desktops/workspaces do the same job in less physical space and let you actually organise your software.
I think this is exactly the case for "if it works, don't touch it" IntelliJ has few shortcomings with window and tabs management, maybe better address those? I wouldn't mind subtle font improvements or some color schemes, that may reduce eye fatigue. But changing how things typically look if gonna hurt for me. Unfortunately, I don't think there other IDE that come close to Jetbrains, esp for java/scala dev.
If you use keyboard shortcuts for <i>everything</i>, as I do, the rest of the UI outside of the editor really doesn't matter a whole lot. I won't be searching for buttons based on color memory or anything like that.
Sorry, it’s all my fault. I’ve resisted using their software for years, despite the praise, but I recently decided I would become a customer and switch to their software. Unfortunately this means they are now obligated by whatever has gone wrong with the world of software the past few years to ruin anything that was good about it.
100% agree.<p>Now I’m scared …. Is JetBrains changing the Pycharm UI? Why? For fashion?<p>Please no, this is the tool I use every day all day.<p>JetBrains if you’re listening… don’t fuck up the UI. I do not want a redesign. I do not want your IDE to be like VSCode. It’s a GOOD thing that JetBrains does not look and feel like VSCode.<p>I hope you are listening to your users.<p>I pay money for Pycharm … don’t change it.
Frankly I think this is a non issue for any serious professional.<p>A proficient user will have learned the keyboard commands for actions and navigation and rarely if ever use the visual elements. This holds for any tool.<p>Those who have yet to take this step, but are unhappy that the UI update is coming, should take this opportunity to step up their professionalism and master the tools of their trade. It will be well worth the investment.<p>Negative space is perhaps the one thing I might worry about, since not all devices come with giant or high resolution screens.<p>Otherwise I welcome the update, and understand that Jetbrains need to continue attracting new users, who are used to different UI then those of us who are older.
I like rounded buttons. I prefer a bit of empty space over having a cluttered UI filled with buttons I'll never use. I like animations.<p>The problems with such UI overhauls is usually that the changes overshoot the target by a mile and the designers seem to focus more on visual design than usability. Animations are almost always too long, because their purpose - for example signalling that it has registered the input - is forgotten.<p>At this point at least web apps should just offer options to completely configure the UI layout with a JSON or HTML file and CSS.
I dunno, people have their preferences. I've used and loved IntelliJ for a decade but the VSCode UI is miles ahead.<p>I'm really excited about the new Jetbrains IDE and am looking forward to it maturing.
Many have pointed out that the author is jumping to conclusions, which seems to be true from the (lack of) content in the article. So much of it is obviously wrong or lazily (not) researched. Some excerpts:<p>> <i>Haven't seen them but it will be [...]. The whole interface is going to [...]. Mark my words</i><p>Oh really? Sounds like you've spent time using it and forming and informed & balanced evidence-driven opinion alright.<p>> <i>Rounding of corners. Religion at this point. Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode</i><p>Author has never used VSCode - not a rounded corner in sight.<p>But... I have seen a few commenters here on HN that seem more informed than the author and do prefer the old UI. If you're in that category, great. But I wonder are you in a niche minority. I'm a VSCode user but need to use IntelliJ & PyCharm in work as I support some custom IDE plugins & integrations. I hate the UI. I've tried switching to it wholesale on multiple occasions (company covers licences so no cost difference to me) but got quickly frustrated with the experience - especially that the discoverable (mouseclick) UI is always so many more clicks compared to workflows in other apps & that needs to be down for new users during the keyboard/command learning curve.<p>That's a subjective opinion on my part as a VSCode user, but I get the impression that it's shared by a <i>lot</i> of long-time (& probably now former-) JetBrains users. If they're bleeding users to VSCode, it stands to reason that the userbase that state behind are going to be the subset that prefer the old UI. So pushback is understandable.
This is why it is important to not depend on a single commercial IDE to do all your work. Datagrip has been my go to for sql but would be willing to switch back to dbeaver if I had to. I also use Pycharm when a client has me working with Terraform alongside python repos. However the ide sugar for Terraform isn’t that beneficial and I often feel it would be better if I just went back to vim with a few tweaks for .tf files
I've been looking for a reason to leave the comfort of JetBrains tools for VSCode, and this might be it.<p>I don't have a particularly strong opinion about the new UI, other than that it looks way too much like VSCode and way too little like the current one.<p>The main reason I use JetBrains stuff is that I'm familiar with the interface, it's messy but I know where to find all I need. VSCode is unusable without writing json config files and dropping into a terminal.<p>I always wonder why the keyboard jockeys are using IDEs at all instead of Vim. Why even use the Vim plugin instead of Vim? If optimal keyboard usage is your goal, Vim is all you need and want, it is the king.<p>Me? I like being able to open the IDE preferences and see the configurations for all the testing, virtual environment, or whatever crap I need to have set up to do my work. Typing text is easy, dealing with bullshit configs is the annoying part.<p>They've come into my messy table and threw all the papers into the ground. If I need to sort them all again I might as well not pay them for the privilege.
It's a little surprising that these UI choices are not a matter of user choice. Although when you think of the complexity of making a truly skinnable UI, or a component framework (I'm thinking Swing and the pluggable look and feel, or PLAF) Swing that IntelliJ used to be nominally written in. In that universe you could have made your own PLAF and rendered IntelliJ in that PLAF without asking permission.<p>It turns out, though, there is a lot of value in homogenizing your application skin. Users can recognize each other's applications, and help each other out. Whole categories of problems are avoided, like poorly written custom components that aren't PLAF compatible. I don't have the answer, but I find it interesting to consider the forces pushing for and against putting greater UI control in user hands.
Interesting timing given that they are half way done getting their own extensions to Jetpack Compose out. They have compose desktop and compose web now. Unfortunately, they seem to not have a compose IOS (which would make it a nice alternative to Flutter). And compose desktop still has a runtime dependency on the jvm even though the underlying graphics library is based on Skia, which is also used by Chrome. Given that Jetbrains has native compilers for Kotlin, this is a bit odd and maybe something they are looking to address over time.<p>So, this makes me wonder about the timing for this and the technical architecture. Are they eating their own dogfood here? Or is this a separate thing?
I'm surprised at how strong the views are about this. I interact with jetbrains primarily through "Shift+Shift" and start typing the action I want. The UI is unnecessarily cluttered, once you get used to using the command palette.
I'm so surprised at the vitriolic response people are having to the change. I spent many of my formative years writing in Eclipse and was an early adopter of WebStorm. I'm no stranger to the IntelliJ style interface. But it has always been a huge impediment for me. It feels clunky, loud, disorganized. Like a desktop with random papers spread out everywhere. And like someone who has one of these desks, I'm sure the people who are upset know exactly where the stapler that they buried 3 months ago is but for me it's just a mess. This new change looks fantastic and might make me not feel so slow working with IntelliJ products.
Looking at the screenshot, I noticed that JetBrains has started using an underline to denote selected tab. Could someone explain the reason for this, instead of say, drawing the shape of the tab in the background?
I am using the new UI and its actually a great upgrade imo. I don't think it took more than an hour to become as familiar and productive as before and its actually much cleaner with more space for code.
I use IntelliJ to write mostly Perl. Since trying the 2020 and 2021 series of IntelliJ, I sat down for an hour and tried every major release since I started using it, and I settled on the one I like the most. I'm quite happy with it, and I'm not planning to upgrade again. Thank you, JetBrains, for supporting your older versions.<p>To OP, I recommend downloading the version you like and sticking with it. You'll be good for years. Use this time to occasionally research alternatives.
Aaaand for some reason, creating a new project from a directory no longer does that. If I select the directory and click Next, it instead creates a directory called Untitled in that directory and opens a project there. Since all my projects, ever, are created in existing directories, and since I do that pretty often, I’ve uninstalled the latest one (after two uses) and gone back to the old one. I’ve used IntelliJ since 2009. Jetbrains, what the fuck are you doing?
The most useful thing that kept me using JetBrains was the key-mapping homogeneity between JetBrains, MacOS, and Chrome (e.g. the same key-mappings are used to go back, forward in history, through tabs, to close a tab, ...)<p>Now I'm finding the key mappings (ex: Multi-line select) and functionalities (setting up your workspace a module) are drifting across the JetBrains products.<p>Attention is needed with these UIs to prevent drift and preserve homogeneity across applications.
My JB Elephant-in-the-room is the awful performance. I'm complaining instead of having switched, since I haven't found anything and powerful for multi-file projects in Rust, and Python. I find myself, more and more, opening files in Sublime and managing the files manually when PyCharm+Rust Plugin is behaving especially badly. Restarting PyCharm often helps, short-term.
Solution: make UI 100% theme-able. Icons, buttons, paddings, borders, fonts, backgrounds, everything as a customizable theme.<p>The community will do the rest.
I’m a bit between tables. On the one hand, I prefer the look of the new UI. It looks nice, yet I can clearly find things.<p>But on the other hand, it puts a bunch of things I regularly use into nested submenus for seemingly no reason (the top bar where they used to be is now mostly empty).<p>Caveat: I only used it for a short time, as neither Webstorm nor Rider work properly with the current EAP + new UI.
I see your points and understand the frustration. The minor changes over the years haven't bothered me too much. What really messed with me was when the commit pop-up (with diffs) was changed to a tab, nestled in the same space as my files. Nooooooooo! I want the pop-up. I want to know that this <i>is</i> different from what I was doing before.
Obligatory xkcd reference to "UI Change": <a href="https://xkcd.com/1770/" rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/1770/</a><p>JetBrains is obviously becoming more like VS Code here so that they aren't edged out of the market. "Copy your competitors". Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable because UI changes are annoying. However we have to see things from JetBrain's perspective. They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly decreasing being taken by VS Code.
This is like HN candy. Complain about “modern UI trends” even if it isn’t true. Even if you explicitly admit it isn’t true because you speculate it might someday be true. Bash the nearest Electron app that isn’t even involved in the thing being hypothesized about. Modern UI Trends front page post here we go!
I think I can get used to both the new UI and the old one, as personal preference doesn't really matter that much.<p>That being said, I really agree with the text that the design to be chosen should be based on A/B testing and whether the design improvement leads to an improvement in productivity.
This reminds me of the discussions we're having over at LibreOffice, with some people wanting to switch the default interface to MS-Office style tabs. Except there, we're trying to get people to switch _from_ closed-source commercial software.
Clion still hasnt got its Makefile auto-regen working yet. Sometime makes a project unuseable until Makefile is deleted and recreated from Makefile.am<p>Why are JetBrain engineers re-working on what was a pretty good UI and not actually working on broken internal things?
<a href="https://search.maven.org/" rel="nofollow">https://search.maven.org/</a> is doing the same thing. The new interface is much prettier, full of padding and space, and so much more unusable.
if you want to try it out, found an article on enabling the new UI: <a href="https://agdl.dev/posts/new-ui-jetbrains-ide" rel="nofollow">https://agdl.dev/posts/new-ui-jetbrains-ide</a>
I use Jetbrains IDEs every day and from the screenshot I can barely spot a difference. Everyone will be okay.<p>This trend of crying at every pixel change is honestly laughable.<p>Also you can install themes on Jetbrains' IDEs.
Mess with the UI all you want, just give the users the ability to use the one they are used to, or opt-in to the updates. Bonus for supporting customizable profiles and presets
JetBrains' privacy policy is so open-ended I am surprised their IDEs are permitted in any environment with software that justifies an IDE.<p>It amounts to "Here are just some examples of the parties we might share your information with / reasons we might share your information but don't consider this a definitive list."<p>Also their autocomplete <i>sucks</i>. As in always inserts the wrong thing in the wrong place.
I’m sorry, It’s impossible to take someone seriously who considers them professional and yet relies on clicking (!) icons for their workflow in IDE.
The only right way to work on IntelliJ products is to leave only code editor, hide everything else and work through keyboard.
This happens when a company hires new product managers who don't give a hoot about what made the product originally great to begin with. I call it "Skypeification"
The old UI should still be available in the settings. atleast, that's what they promised after the first UI beta<p>Also Fleet isn't replacing the other IDEs
I find the entire "java world" as I like to think of it, littered with slow IDEs.<p>The "Electron bloat world" editors have been much more snappy in my experience.<p>Typically the "java world" editors will lag out to the point where tapping on the "File" menu will take 3-5 seconds on occasion. Also they seem to rely on "indexing" and while the "indexing" operating is taking place, the entire editor just slows to a complete crawl.<p>I've seen this in Android Studio, IntelliJ, Tizen Studio, Eclipse - pretty much anything that's "java world". Apologies for the imprecise nomenclature, but this has been my experience and after so many years it has reached a stage of just low expectations from me whenever I see anything related to these IDEs.
Hot take time.<p>Actual professionals use keyboard shortcuts to easily navigate or bring to the forefront whatever they need in Intellij (the JB product I use)<p>If you are clicking through menus all day or are otherwise negatively affected to such a degree by a visual change like this, you are an amateur<p>So really, JetBrains is bringing consumer-grade UI practices to the world of... amateurs<p>This world for amateurs exists exists, as a crutch, within the larger world of the professional product.<p>However, the world of professional usage of Intellij remains essentially unchanged (granted, the new icons and extra negative space are annoying, they just are not significant)<p>TLDR: git gud, use a keyboard