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Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

72 pointsby ghoomketuover 2 years ago

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pvgover 2 years ago
threads 12 hrs ago<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33496808" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33496808</a> 133 comments<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33496822" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33496822</a> 18 comments
IceDaneover 2 years ago
This is going about exactly as terrible as you&#x27;d have guessed it would. Usually there is some redeeming thing, but it doesn&#x27;t look like there is in this case.<p>When they started the layoffs, and with such short notice, I just knew there was a 0% chance that they&#x27;d happened properly and with proper preparation. There&#x27;s going to be so much domain knowledge and expertise that&#x27;s been lost, and half the teams are probably just adrift and confused because they now either have to do 2x the work or 2x their timelines, at the very least. Doing 2x the work might then also mean doing a bunch of work you&#x27;re not informed about, so it might actually be 3x or 4x the work for someone coming in.<p>If I had gotten the boot and they were asking me to come back, I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;d be saying yes, unless it was necessary from a financial standpoint. And even then I&#x27;d only stick around until I found a new job, at which point I would quit without notice.
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Melting_Harpsover 2 years ago
&gt; Many employees learned they lost their job after their access to company-wide systems, like email and Slack, were suddenly suspended. The requests for employees to return demonstrate how rushed and chaotic the process was.<p>This is par for Musk corps, literally the day after my interview at Fremont they laid off 9% of total staff in 2018 [0] because of how poorly Model 3 launch had fared in the beginning.<p>I can&#x27;t go into specifics, much of which are public now, but it was so disheartening after having been so well received and cordial and enthusiastic; everyone was completely there because how important &#x27;the mission&#x27; was only to be told &#x27;don&#x27;t come back&#x27; in incredibly uncouth manner.<p>When they sent the message out the next day, which is how many found out they&#x27;ve been laid off, calamity struck and it was clear that this was a deliberate tactic to re-shuffle and quell not just the rumors of Model 3&#x27;s shortcomings amongst the rank-and-file staff, but to sweep the poor safety record in the factory under the rug and the have intimidation creep for those who sought to Unionize--at the time I was not in favour of it, but as time went on and I got more insider information from other team members I soon realized that it was likely needed despite my initial apprehension.<p>In short, I want to see the demise of social media&#x27;s influence on the Internet (aka Web2.0) and if this represents how the most lauded CEO in SV handles things then I think we&#x27;re nearing the end sooner rather than later. I think it&#x27;s a commonly held sentiment that Social Media ruined most of what was magical of the early Internet and ushered in what has been the worst <i>eternal September</i> phase. I just hope it&#x27;s not too late to correct this as Zuck is killing his corp in an equally embarrassing and out of touch manner.<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2018&#x2F;06&#x2F;13&#x2F;619426602&#x2F;tesla-lays-off-9-percent-of-workforce" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2018&#x2F;06&#x2F;13&#x2F;619426602&#x2F;tesla-lays-off-9-pe...</a>
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LadyCailinover 2 years ago
I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It just makes no sense.
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potroover 2 years ago
Are these fired workers really fired from legal perspective? Or they are suspended and informed that their employment contract will end on Feb 2nd?
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chris_wotover 2 years ago
My strong advice is: take the severance package and go somewhere else. It ain’t going to be a good place to work.<p>Any place that can “accidentally” fire you is a place you should stay away from.
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mkl95over 2 years ago
Sounds like they want to lay them off with three weeks notice or whatever the law mandates in that area to prevent legal action. Personally I would accept the offer and do the bare minimum while I look for a new job.
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grecyover 2 years ago
So I&#x27;ve seen every news agency on the planet run this story, and they either cite each other in a huge circle, or they cite &quot;people familiar with the matter&quot;.<p>Do we have 100% concrete first-hand documented evidence this actually happened to more than -let&#x27;s say- 10 people?<p>Somehow, I highly doubt it.
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mhoadover 2 years ago
It’s really hard to overstate how badly things are going over there at this point.<p>It’s incredibly obvious by now that Elon and his crew of weirdos currently running the show (David Sacks and Jason Calacanis etc) were just marinating for years in an echo chamber of right-wing propaganda full of resentment against Blue Checks, fantasies of &quot;shadowbanning&quot;, resentment of rules against hate speech, and lies about politics and other topics.<p>They are just making things up as they go in what is quickly becoming the new textbook reference of the Dunning-Kruger effect (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thedecisionlab.com&#x2F;biases&#x2F;dunning-kruger-effect" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thedecisionlab.com&#x2F;biases&#x2F;dunning-kruger-effect</a>)
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rob74over 2 years ago
&gt; <i>“Regarding Twitter’s reduction in force, unfortunately there is no choice when the company is losing over $4M&#x2F;day,” Musk tweeted on Friday.</i><p>The real question here is probably why anyone would pay 44 billion dollars for a company losing 4 million dollars per day. I mean, it&#x27;s not some promising startup, it&#x27;s a company that&#x27;s been around for a while and has only managed to be profitable for 2 years out of the last 12 (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;274563&#x2F;annual-net-income-of-twitter&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;274563&#x2F;annual-net-income...</a>)?
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t0mas88over 2 years ago
&gt; Some of those who are being asked to return were laid off by mistake, according to two people familiar with the moves.<p>Sure, &quot;laid off by mistake&quot; is a way to describe incompetence...
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fabian2kover 2 years ago
The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It&#x27;s not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.
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blueflowover 2 years ago
I feel relieved that Twitter is going downhill. People finally realized it might not be the greatest thing ever and see it more critical.
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phoe-krkover 2 years ago
Heavy Freenode vibes here.
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idontwantthisover 2 years ago
I need the inside gossip so badly.
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saosover 2 years ago
Sorry why did Twitter need 7000. Employees? How many many were engineers?
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satya71over 2 years ago
For layoff of this scale, finding a few mistakes seems well within reason.