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Sure, it didn't work for Email, XMPP, Diaspora, but maybe it'll work for us

3 pointsby wallflowerover 2 years ago

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smoldesuover 2 years ago
&gt; the illustrious technical aim of a purely federated world being the dominant form of social network just seems a little naive at the best of times<p>Who&#x27;s technical aim is that, though? You&#x27;re conflating the desires of Twitter users with the goals Mastodon maintainers. Mastodon&#x27;s goal isn&#x27;t to eat the world, and that&#x27;s reflected in a lot of places - the current fediverse topology, the distinction between local and federated timelines, a lack of algorithmic content discovery... none of it seems to indicate an appetite for dominance. Instead, recent releases[0] seem to be adding in user-requested features instead of optimizing for retention and profitability.<p>ActivityPub does not live or die based on who uses it, much as you conceded with IRC. And maybe Twitter 2 <i>will</i> arrive someday, with mind-reading functionality and magic hologram projection. There are always faux &quot;distruptors&quot; who use stickers&#x2F;custom emojis&#x2F;pointless crap to justify rebuilding a protocol from the ground-up. The people who like ActivityPub will continue to like it, and the people who feel dissatisfied with Twitter will likely continue to project it&#x27;s problems onto alternative software that isn&#x27;t beholden to fixing centralized issues or getting Kanye West to post another time.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mastodon&#x2F;mastodon&#x2F;releases&#x2F;tag&#x2F;v4.0.0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mastodon&#x2F;mastodon&#x2F;releases&#x2F;tag&#x2F;v4.0.0</a>
RobotToasterover 2 years ago
There&#x27;s some truth to the idea that it just creates lots of petty tyrants.<p>One of the biggest issues I see is the widespread use of non user overridable server blacklists. For a technology that is supposed to be about user control, allowing the sysadmin to control who you talk to or follow seems undesirable. While I can understand not wanting, say, porn, all over your global federated feed, not letting users choose to override that for their personal feed is creating a multiple netsplits.<p>I&#x27;m sure some will just say that since it&#x27;s their server they can do what they want, but I&#x27;m talking about what is good for the system as a whole. Currently it feels like the only way to get access to the entire thing is to run your own server, which doesn&#x27;t seem healthy.
brookstover 2 years ago
Some good points, but a little stuck in the past.<p>Today, I pay less for a hosted and managed Mastodon instance than Elon wants for a blue badge or whatever it’s called this week.<p>It’s true that nobody wants to be a sysadmin. But cloud hosting, cheap storage, containers, and management tools mean not everyone has to. We just need one person who can make a living being a sysadmin for every ten thousand or so people that want to use the system.<p>(I’m eliding the difficulty in moderation, which these hosting providers don’t and shouldn’t do, but that’s the <i>next</i> problem that I think will also be solved aaS so scale economies make it work)
RonanMcGovernover 2 years ago
I appreciated this piece but didn&#x27;t fully understand what solution is being advocated.<p>Is the proposal to have non-federated&#x2F;compatible social networks, but then have clients that capable of posting to&#x2F;reading from each? The client would be some form of Twitter&#x2F;Insta&#x2F;Tiktok aggregator?