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IRCv3 2022 Spec round-up

208 pointsby buovjagaover 2 years ago

5 comments

Daunkover 2 years ago
Is there a modern client and server that supports all of these recent additions?
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bgitartsover 2 years ago
Unfortunately IRC has failed to keep up with the U&#x2F;X of centralized chat services like discord which is a shame because an open protocol chat seems needed for the internet.<p>Why does open protocol usually mean crippled U&#x2F;X?
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TheBrokenRailover 2 years ago
The issue I have with Matrix&#x2F;IRC&#x2F;IRCv3 compared to Discord is that they don&#x27;t really work well with public communities.<p>Discord&#x27;s server&#x2F;channel&#x2F;role system is amazing, and I don&#x27;t know why everyone else isn&#x27;t replicating it.<p>For instance, let&#x27;s take the Pine64 Discord server. It has a grand total of 27 channels split into 10 categories (including top-level). Using Discord&#x27;s permissions system, some of those channels are read-only like #announcements.<p>Pine64&#x27;s server is also bridged to Matrix. Matrix requires every single channel to be bridged individually into their own Matrix chat, just look at this table (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.pine64.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Main_Page#Chat_Platforms" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.pine64.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Main_Page#Chat_Platforms</a>)! In fact, some of the channels aren&#x27;t even bridged at all! Meanwhile on Discord, everything&#x27;s all in one easy to use place. You just join the server, and that&#x27;s it.<p>But what about Matrix spaces? Aren&#x27;t those the equivalent of Discord servers? The issue is that rather than an integrated experience, Matrix servers are just a built-in version of the table I listed above. You still have to leave&#x2F;join chats individually and it doesn&#x27;t even have categories!<p>But that&#x27;s all from a user&#x27;s perspective, what about from a server admin&#x27;s perspective? Discord&#x27;s permission system is great and flexible, and Matrix&#x27;s system is just kind of bad. In case you don&#x27;t know Matrix&#x27;s system from what i understand is basically: every user gets a permission level number, and users with certain levels can do certain things. That&#x27;s it, no flexibility whatsoever.<p>Meanwhile on Discord, you can create roles which when given to users allow them to do certain things. Like anyone with a &quot;Moderator&quot; role can delete messages or ban people. But you could also make it so &quot;moderators&quot; can&#x27;t delete messages, only ban people. And you can also make roles behave different on per-channel or per-category basis. You can even make it so users can&#x27;t see a channel at all without a role (for instance, a server I&#x27;m an admin on has a #mod-chat channel and a #admin-chat channel).<p>Matrix&#x27;s system just can&#x27;t do that. And it really doesn&#x27;t integrate with their Spaces system. There&#x27;s no way to make it so only certain people can see certain channels in a Matrix Space. In fact, there&#x27;s no way to manage permissions for an entire Matrix Space at all! It&#x27;s limited to a per-chat basis.<p>And that long-winded rant is why I will stick with Discord.
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laaczover 2 years ago
Well, make it a part of the fediverse as a de facto chat&#x2F;messaging platform? Not big on activitypub and alike, but might that push it a bit further?
jacooperover 2 years ago
Too late. Matrix ate IRC&#x27;s lunch, its the future of federated chats.
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