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A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

228 pointsby carbolymerover 2 years ago

23 comments

culanuchachamimover 2 years ago
Original thread 3 months ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32538805" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32538805</a>
dangover 2 years ago
Please don&#x27;t post archive.org links when the original URL works or there&#x27;s a good alternate source available.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;query=by%3Adang%20archive.org%20links&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;que...</a>
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sekh60over 2 years ago
This story broke the camels back for us when it first appeared here and got us to migrate our email to protonmail and a domain we bought.
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josephcsibleover 2 years ago
It&#x27;s been three months, and AFAIK, Google still hasn&#x27;t given him his account back yet.
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bagelsover 2 years ago
Does getting your google account blocked prevent you from using GCP? There are so many stories of people losing access to google accounts that it seems way too risky to use GCP when this sort of thing can happen.
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markdownover 2 years ago
Shit, this gave me pause.<p>My dog has crypto* and my vet asked me to send him pics at various states of arousal so I have numerous pics of dog junk on my phone.<p>* Cryptorchidism is the medical term that refers to the failure of one or both testicles (testes) to descend into the scrotum.
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einpoklumover 2 years ago
&gt; Google flagged him<p>&gt; Mark’s wife grabbed her husband’s phone and texted a few high-quality close-ups of their son’s groin area to her iPhone<p>&gt; Gmail account ... Mark ... came to rely heavily on Google ... appointments ... on Google Calendar... smartphone camera backed up his photos ... to the Google cloud. ... Google Fi.<p>The photos should never have been made visible to third parties, certainly not large nosy corporations which analyze you and your behavior and &quot;flag&quot; people (and also share info with the NSA or other US government agencies, as per the Snowden revelations). We must educate people around us not to just use these gratis software services naively. Of course, the defaults of what&#x27;s installed and configured on the gadgets we buy is something that many will stick with despite our best efforts - but remember that all of this would never have happened if Mark had not _actively_ allowed it: If he had simply never had a Google account, or never entered its credentials into his, phone, this whole situation would have been averted.<p>So, tell your friends, tell your family members, tell yourselves:<p>* Putting something &quot;on the cloud&quot; means giving a third party, whom you can&#x27;t trust, a copy of it.<p>* When you send someone an email, it&#x27;s like you&#x27;ve sent a copy to the company which runs his email service. If its @gmail.com - imagine your email is placed on large placards in Google&#x27;s lobby.<p>* Minimize the use of services by large multi-pronged companies like Google, to avoid surveillance.<p>... and all of above for Apple, their iTunes cloud, email and other services. Finally,<p>* Prefer privacy-respecting communications applications like Signal for sending messages.
morgosmaciover 2 years ago
It was removed but there was a discussion about a similar account over on the Photos reddit this week. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;googlephotos&#x2F;comments&#x2F;yzz03x&#x2F;it_looks_like_this_account_has_content_that&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;googlephotos&#x2F;comments&#x2F;yzz03x&#x2F;it_loo...</a>
rosndover 2 years ago
This is such a weird story. Is google really using computer vision to detect CSAM? How could that possibly work? This seems like a tremendous technical challenge.<p>Usually photoDNA has been deployed for this, but that almost certainly wouldn&#x27;t be triggered by the dad uploading his own photos that hadn&#x27;t been previously marked as CSAM in the photoDNA database.
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formerly_provenover 2 years ago
&gt; Mark did not remember this video and no longer had access to it, but he said it sounded like a private moment he would have been inspired to capture, not realizing it would ever be viewed or judged by anyone else.<p>Recontextualisation is one hell of a drug.
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jack7eover 2 years ago
+1 for the archive link
LAC-Techover 2 years ago
Thanks for the reminder.<p>Wife and I take a lot of photos of our newborn, including in the bath. We think nothing of it, but probably worth figuring out a digital plan.
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warbler73over 2 years ago
Apple&#x27;s Photos app tried to tell me that my child was my lover in their photo event labeling, which really pissed me off a lot.
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fersarrover 2 years ago
So, basically if I have disabled cloud backups in google photos, this shouldn&#x27;t affect me right?
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Barrin92over 2 years ago
what happened to the guy was awful but in general, <i>don&#x27;t ever store medical correspondence on Google cloud or send it over email or messengers</i>. Here in the EU and I would be surprised if it&#x27;s different in the US there&#x27;s dedicated apps for telemedicine which are regulated like medical devices, so there&#x27;s confidentiality, no storage or scanning of vieo or audio, and so on. Sucks but you can&#x27;t really treat any other services as secure or private.
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Linux_Watcherover 2 years ago
Old News
baggy_troughover 2 years ago
Outrageous and unacceptable.
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pyuser583over 2 years ago
Stratechery covered this … they pointed out the really f*ed: part: Google is refusing to reinstate the account.<p>Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect.<p>But there is no reason the keep the account suspended once it’s clear there was no wrongdoing.<p>This man is innocent of doing anything wrong. Google had suspended him, and removed access to all his online account data. And refuses to reinstate.<p>We balance out liberties with responsibilities all the time. We allow the state power to protect children, and corporations have the right to assist them.<p>There are careful balancing acts being done.<p>But there is no balancing act here. There is no justification for Googles action.
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jacob019over 2 years ago
These stories of people being banned by google without recourse are so common, it&#x27;s amazing that anyone here is still using google for anything important. First of all, get off of gmail. If you do nothing else, get off of gmail. I&#x27;m very happy with fastmail, they provide email, calendar, contacts, notes, and some cloud storage for a monthly fee.<p>I&#x27;ve also come to love nextcloud, I started using it to replace google photos, but there are tons of other great features too. I use it for photos, notes, calendar, contacts, news, and some collaboration stuff. It&#x27;s open source, you can self-host, or get a hosted account somewhere.<p>While you&#x27;re degoogling, start using duckduckgo for search. It&#x27;s a better experience than google these days, and if you really want to send a query over to google, just add !g to the end of the search.<p>Get off of Chrome too. I would prefer that you use firefox, but chromium works fine too.<p>Getting off of google voice took a bit more work. I ported my number to Telnyx, wrote a SMS-to-XMPP bridge, and set up Asterisk to route voice calls. I&#x27;m happy with that solution but it won&#x27;t be practical for most, so maybe someone else can comment on google voice alternatives.
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Waterluvianover 2 years ago
This is the one that causes me to finally commit an entire weekend to getting off Google.<p>Because I have the exact same kinds of photos on my phone, auto-backed up to Google Photos, intended for his physician.
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Cameriover 2 years ago
That Google snoops and watches your video, photos and emails should not be a surprise to anyone in 2022. If your entire online identity is tied to a string that ends in @gmail.com they own you.
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hellfishover 2 years ago
&gt; After setting up a Gmail account in the mid-aughts, Mark, who is in his 40s, came to rely heavily on Google. He synced appointments with his wife on Google Calendar. His Android smartphone camera backed up his photos and videos to the Google cloud. He even had a phone plan with Google Fi.<p>His first mistake. He (and a whole bunch of others) forgot the principle of least privilege. The moment you start letting a company like google domesticate your usage patterns, you&#x27;re essentially their bitch from that point onward. Better to keep all of their stuff compartmentalized
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wastedimageover 2 years ago
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