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Earth actually has two moons.

79 pointsby white_ravenover 13 years ago

12 comments

tzsover 13 years ago
On the other hand, the thing we call The Moon shouldn't really be considered a moon. The Earth/Moon system should really be classified as two planets in essentially the same orbit around the Sun.<p>As I think was discussed recently in another thread here, and was pointed out by Isaac Asimov in one of his science essays a long time ago, if you were to plot the paths of the Earth and Moon through space, you'd find they are both approximately 12-sided convex polygons around the Sun, out of phase by pi/12. The Moon's path does not look like something a kid would draw with a Spirograph, contrary to popular opinion.<p>When you look at moons of other planets, their paths do look like a Spirograph drawing.<p>If you are having trouble visualizing this, imagine two horses racing around a standard horse racing track. On the first straightaway imagine horse 1 is in the lead. At the first turn, horse 2 gets the inside track and pulls ahead. On the back straightaway, horse 2 leads, but on the second turn, horse 1 gets the inside track and takes the lead back in the turn.<p>It probably wouldn't even occur to you to think of horse 2 as having done an orbit around horse 1, yet if there were a remote control camera mounted on horse 1, and you were controlling it from the stands and you were trying to keep horse 2 in view at all times, you'd find that you have had to rotate the camera around a full circle. So, from horse 1's frame of reference, horse 2 indeed did orbit it once!<p>Now imagine the horses on a modified track that instead of two straightaways and two half-circle turns has four straightaways and four quarter-circle turns. Now horse 1 thinks horse 2 circled it twice.<p>That's essentially what the Earth and Moon are doing, but there are 24 turns in the race course, and the straightaways are not there--as soon as you leave one turn you are starting the next. So, from Earth's point of view it looks like the Moon goes around us 12 times a year. But alien astronomers watching would be like spectators at the horse race--they'd just see two planets orbiting the Sun in nearly the same order, taking turns using the inside track to pull ahead.<p>Another way to look at it is to consider force ratios. For moons such as those of Mars, or Jupiter, or Saturn, and so on, if you look at the force on the moon from the planet, and the force on it from the Sun, you find the ratio of those two is greater than 1. The planet "pulls harder" than the Sun does.<p>For the Earth and Moon, the ratio is less than 1. The Sun is pulling harder on the Moon than the Earth is!
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moocow01over 13 years ago
This article should be called "Astronomers actually redefine the term moon"<p>If this is the definition, then lets also report that Saturn now has a gazillion moons.
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dekayedover 13 years ago
The article states that these 'moons' typically stay for around 10 months. Do they escape from the Earth's gravity or are they pulled closer to the Earth and eventually break up in the atmosphere?
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Kittynanaover 13 years ago
Why must journalists exaggerate every science headline?
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baddoxover 13 years ago
Of course, the size requirements of a "moon" are arbitrary. In this article, they're calling an object 1 meter across or larger a "moon."
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carsonbakerover 13 years ago
Relevant video from QI: How many moons does the earth have? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zuAQAhhMI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zuAQAhhMI</a>
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akkartikover 13 years ago
Does this finding increase the odds of a Tunguska-size impact?
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brudgersover 13 years ago
Link to referenced MIT Technology Review post:<p><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27425/" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27425/</a>
manojldsover 13 years ago
If moon = natural satellite and if the "moons" of other planets have names, what is the name of earth's moon? Why do they have to use it so interchangeably?
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manojldsover 13 years ago
How many moons does the Sun have??
Eliezerover 13 years ago
This is the same team that announced the discovery of 14 previously unknown days in February, I take it.
rsanchez1over 13 years ago
It doesn't feel right to call it a moon though. It's a natural satellite, but it's not that big.