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The Slow Goodbye to Twitter

38 pointsby rosiesherryover 2 years ago

11 comments

rchaudover 2 years ago
I think more people are realizing, finally, that social media has been completely hollowed out by corporate interests. Actually seeing organic content and conversations in one&#x27;s timeline seems accidental these days.<p>What point is there in continuing to post when it&#x27;s clear Twitter will give preferential treatment to paid accounts? FB&#x2F;IG are no better, they&#x27;d prefer you not post text+images at all, but pivot to video so they can throw ads in between and make their Christmas bonus.<p>The author has the right idea: instead of wasting your attention on these dumpster fires, focus on the non-corporate communities where your voice is valued. I am trying to do this by hanging out in the forums of software products I use, and commenting on topics there. Unfortunately, even that is not a given these days, as many software makers insist on a Discord for tech support and discussion.<p>I&#x27;ve spoken about this as well on a blog post [0] about the death of old message boards and the unique cultures they had:<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fuzzcrush.xyz&#x2F;blog&#x2F;dead-forums-extinct-communities-and-a-loss-of-shared-niche-cultures&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fuzzcrush.xyz&#x2F;blog&#x2F;dead-forums-extinct-communities-a...</a>
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mackatapover 2 years ago
Other than a bunch of people complaining about how Twitter is changing, I haven&#x27;t seen any change at all.
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ghustoover 2 years ago
I _started_ using again Twitter after 6 years, when all this drama started (don&#x27;t ask why, I don&#x27;t have an answer).<p>Here&#x27;s what I&#x27;ve noticed has changed:<p>1) It&#x27;s fun again! Not at all in the same way as back in the first year, but in a commercial way, like TV or something<p>2) It&#x27;s best enjoyed if you just go ahead and smash that block button whenever you encounter someone pushing an agenda. I have certain political leanings, but I&#x27;m happy to bring out my block-gun even for people who lean with me. I simply don&#x27;t want that kind of heaviness trying to be discussed in a mob-ruled short message format. Many reasonable views are also unpopular or unfashionable<p>3) It&#x27;s no longer about hearing from your friends or people you picked. Guess this is a result of point (1), but what you see seems to be _only_ what the algorithm knows you want to see, which is a real shame
binarymaxover 2 years ago
I checked out from Twitter mid-summer, and have used it maybe twice or three times since.<p>It’s so much better NOT using it! I miss some of the conversations, but I can find my connections elsewhere.<p>HN is my only social media now.
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warkanlockover 2 years ago
Twitter is not going anywhere anytime soon; there is no replacement. Mastodon does not fit the needs of the millions of users using the platform daily. I believe that Twitter will terraform what we think of as social media, and with that, a new way of communication will emerge
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rvzover 2 years ago
Twitter always has been a rage factory before the Musk takeover and I already created and closed my account on the same day after trying it before many years ago. It is still an outrage machine.<p>It is not just Twitter that is the problem, it is the entirety of social networks that are outrage machines, and the solution is not replacing it or joining one that is worse than Twitter.<p>&gt; If a good thing comes out of this whole Twitter chaos, I hope that people return to smaller communities.<p>This is the reason why Twitter, etc isn&#x27;t going anywhere due to its central ease of discovery, no matter how bad the outrage machine is on there. This is what the author fails to realise and the journalists still can&#x27;t stop using it and linking Tweets, since their audience is still there.<p>&gt; stop caring so much about building an audience and learn to connect authentically again.<p>Yet in order for the author and other journalists to monetize their articles and get more eyeballs, they need an audience, hence the reason why many of them need to use Twitter to advertise and grift their Substack newsletter(s). [0]<p>The immediate collapse of Twitter has been greatly exaggerated by the past few weeks by a very small subset of angry screeching voices and doomsters.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;rosiesherry&#x2F;status&#x2F;1599063645320671232" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;rosiesherry&#x2F;status&#x2F;1599063645320671232</a>
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the-printerover 2 years ago
Good for the author. Let’s start working on the successor to the “Big Web” and the competitor of the “small web” called the “The Hole”.<p>#Holesarenotwebs.
aschearerover 2 years ago
All these people saying &quot;social media is bad&quot; -- are doing so on social media... Is it so hard to imagine for some Twitter may have filled a role similar to Hacker News? Personally, I got lots of value from Twitter, following people in the game development community. Now that&#x27;s moving into various silos that are hard to find, disconnected from one another. I&#x27;ll miss how it was just like I miss TIGSource and how I&#x27;ll miss Hacker News when it eventually succumbs to the fuddy duddies.
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smoldesuover 2 years ago
...and the slow hello to Medium? Nobody tell them that Medium is also a publicly traded company vulnerable to hostile takeover...
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Markoffover 2 years ago
Agreed, I don&#x27;t like participating in social media not controlled by my preferred political party. &#x2F;s
robomartinover 2 years ago
What I find interesting about Twitter hatred is that it is all related to the platform slowly shifting towards not engaging in politically one-sided censorship and cancellation. That&#x27;s it. Nothing else. Call it freedom of speech if you must.<p>This continues to expose the holes in an ideology that purports to be for A and it is nearly always for B in almost everything they say. Pick any area A, listen to what they claim and then watch B is what they actually do.<p>In this case, it is about such topics as open-mindedness, inclusion, tolerance, acceptance, objectivity, seeking truth, balance, unity, representing everyone, etc. What they actually do is almost always the opposite to these and other concepts.<p>If Twitter&#x2F;Musk came out on Monday, proclaimed to revese course and go all-in on one sided moderation in favor of that ideology, the company and Musk would be hailed as heroes by every single person, politician and entity currently at war with them.<p>That, right there, should make everyone take pause and think.<p>Why?<p>All you have to do is imagine a world where the opposite ideology controls all media and thought drivers.<p>That would be just as much of a nightmare as what we have managed to walk into today.<p>We do not want either ideology to hold a monopoly of control over what messages are allowed and who can speak. That is precisely what happens in nations we all agree are, at a minimum, oppressive and abusive to their population. Sadly, we have veered more and more in that direction over the last couple of decades. There are people out there who&#x27;s entire careers have been destroyed just for having opposing thoughts. That isn&#x27;t supposed to happen in the western world. That is not supposed to happen in the US. Yet, it has. And we have to fix it.<p>Equilibrium in social and traditional media exists when both ideological camps have about the same number of things to not be happy about. It also happens when no particular &quot;tribe&quot; can exercise overwhelming control over thought, media and messaging. Good, bad or ugly, that is the best formula for progress. Stomping and cancelling opposing viewpoints has never delivered positive results in the long term.<p>Here on HN, downvoting and flagging are sometimes used this way. It is my opinion these tools have to go away or have to have a very serious algorithmic change in order to prevent their use as means to silence that with which one disagrees. Yes, this is a difficult issue online forums have had to contend with since the days of USENET. Not easy at all.<p>A long time ago one of my mentors explained he liked the idea of &quot;If you can&#x27;t say anything good about someone, don&#x27;t speak&quot;. While not a hard-set rule, the way I personally try to use that concept on HN is that I never downvote or flag any post. In the years I have been here I may have done so a handful of times. I always welcome intelligent opposition to anything I say. That&#x27;s how we learn. I never downvote. If a conversation gets derailed, I might try to get it back on track a few times. If I fail, I just leave. I see downvoting as a cheap-shot attempt to silence that with which you disagree, rather than a control for quality. Same with flagging.
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