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Exclusive satellite images show Saudi Arabia's sci-fi megacity is well underway

76 pointsby t23over 2 years ago

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enriqutoover 2 years ago
There does not seem to be anything &quot;exclusive&quot; about these images. They look like regular worldview 3 images that anybody can buy.<p>From TFA:<p>&gt; The strange gap in imagery raises questions about who gets to access high-res satellite technology. And if the largest urban construction site on the planet doesn’t appear on Google Maps, what else can’t we see?<p>This is ridiculous. Commercial satellite images are sold everyday to thousands of buyers. You only need a credit card. Google maps is just not updated immediately with all these images that people buy.<p>I&#x27;m surprised at the low quality of these MIT &quot;reporters&quot;.
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sandworm101over 2 years ago
So many of these articles, and none address the realities of Saudi&#x2F;Gulf family power structures. For the king&#x2F;MBS to remain in power they need to keep the powerful families on side. That means giving them money, enough money that they don&#x27;t get too jealous of the king&#x27;s money and decide they should be king. But handing them money without directing how they spend it will lead to ruin. They will set themselves up as new powers, to the point that they will one day be buying weapons and influence to overthrow you. You have to keep them busy doing other things than plotting your doom. You give them jobs. Rich Saudi families own and run the construction firms building these silly projects. The up-and-coming sons of these families are called &quot;investors&quot; and &quot;developers&quot; of mega projects. They go to nice schools and spend their working lives consulting with architects and engineers. They hire famous westerners (Beckham) to promote their pet projects (soccer&#x2F;golf tournaments). That is way way better than them consulting with militants, extremists and mercenaries. It is better than them running around the world building their own power bases. Call these projects wasteful and inefficient all you want. They are doing exactly what they are designed to do: keep the king from being overthrown. They are the Saudi version of Louise XIV&#x27;s Versailles.
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JumpinJack_Cashover 2 years ago
Well underway is a bit of a stretch.<p>They dug a trench in the sand, which is not such a tall order given the consistency of sand.<p>It&#x27;s also the reason why they can stick a straw in the sand and oil comes out.<p>The only big trademark Core infrastructure project made in Saudi up to now has been the Abraj-Al-Bait [0], spearheaded by the Bin Laden Group [1] (founded in 1931 by Osama Bin Laden&#x27;s father) which is something comparable to the recent CityCenter Las Vegas Development.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Abraj_Al_Bait" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Abraj_Al_Bait</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Saudi_Binladin_Group" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Saudi_Binladin_Group</a>
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karmakurtisaaniover 2 years ago
To add to the possible justifications for this project, the YouTube channel Economics Explained made a nice video on how these insane megaprojects can make sense. Essentially, they are meant to be long and expensive just to attract enough foreign companies to establish permanent presence in the country. Once that happens, the idea is that they eventually start to contribute to the SA economy independently, helping them move on from oil only economy.<p>It makes sense if you consider that when you have oil, it will make your currency strong, so exporting goods is expensive and that makes developing other industry difficult. Also, investments, people and other resources in your country will be all mainly directed towards oil, since that&#x27;s where the profits are largest. So to escape this trap, you have to basically do something rather crazy.
ledauphinover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m well aware of the explanations that this project is infeasible and not based on logic. But it still seems to me that digging foundations across the entire footprint is spreading development resources more thinly than a standard development would?<p>Can someone better-versed in the economics of large development projects explain to me why this isn&#x27;t being pursued in a more risk-reducing fashion, with a smaller section being built top-to-bottom to demonstrate its viability?
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T-Aover 2 years ago
&gt; at least one private company seemed to have stopped taking high-resolution pictures of The Line’s site sometime in March.<p>It&#x27;s almost as if something happened in March which caused Maxar to focus on some other area of the world.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.maxar.com&#x2F;for-a-better-world&#x2F;2022&#x2F;aviation-week-names-maxar-a-2022-laureate-award-winner" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.maxar.com&#x2F;for-a-better-world&#x2F;2022&#x2F;aviation-week...</a>
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zabanaover 2 years ago
this strangely resembles the fictional city of rabi&#x27;ah, in deus ex mankind divided [0]<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deusex.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rabi%27ah" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deusex.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rabi%27ah</a>
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OtherwiseBenignover 2 years ago
At the risk of invoking Godwin&#x27;s Law, this reminds me of a 3-mile building that was built on the German island of Rügen 1936-1939<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Prora" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Prora</a>
Oxidationover 2 years ago
For the work and resources[1] of these mental projects, humanity could solve world hunger, probably several times over. Or build enough nuclear energy to power half of Europe. (Edit: These are <i>examples</i> of what this much time, resourcing and manpower can do, merely examples)<p>Oh well, I guess at least some of those hundreds of billions will end up winkled out of the Saudis by consultancies, at least. Presumably it can then trickle back up and be lent out for something more useful.<p>I&#x27;m more surprised the Saudis haven&#x27;t already slapped down a few trillion dollars worth of solar on empty desert and future-proofed their energy exports. After all, just because they sell solar energy wouldn&#x27;t mean they&#x27;ve have to stop the oil overnight[2]. Electricity supply isn&#x27;t going to be sufficient any time soon and demand isn&#x27;t going anywhere but up[3].<p>[1]: it&#x27;s easy to say &quot;the money&quot; but actually the money can be recycled once it&#x27;s spent by the KSA royals, so it&#x27;s kind of immaterial. It&#x27;s the opportunity costs and resource use.<p>[2]: energy aside, polymers and petrochemicals aren&#x27;t going anywhere, even if a few supermarkets have changed to paper tomato trays<p>[3]: moving all of the world to electrical heating, even fully leveraging ground- and air-source, and traction is going to require mind-bending amounts of installed capacity.
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metadatover 2 years ago
What are the green and black striped rectangles?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wp.technologyreview.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2022&#x2F;12&#x2F;2022-12-09-09_41_42-Soar-_-Discover-your-Earth.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wp.technologyreview.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2022&#x2F;12&#x2F;2...</a><p>Edit: Thanks for the info, you are super quick!<p>I have a follow-up question:<p>Why build it 170km long and only 0.2km wide? This seems super inefficient, compared to making it shorter and wider. What&#x27;s the advantage?<p>Lots of things will be (unnecessarily) far apart. Won&#x27;t this be annoying for those living in this archeology?
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yabonesover 2 years ago
This will end exactly the same way as the Jeddah tower. I&#x27;ll eat my shoe if they come anywhere close to &quot;completion&quot; on this project. It&#x27;s such a profoundly stupid way to spend half a trillion dollars.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Jeddah_Tower" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Jeddah_Tower</a>
relwinover 2 years ago
Thunderf00t has an entertaining analysis on the absurdity of NEOM:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;rB_X5ZUcZlE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;rB_X5ZUcZlE</a>
unity1001over 2 years ago
This is a good project. The way we currently run our living spaces is extremely inefficient. We distribute people to many disparate neighborhoods, and - in the case of the US - <i>gasp</i> suburbs, and then face the problems which having to provide all the infrastructure, supply networks, transportation to those places create. One unmistakable example of this is traffic congestion and how a lot of energy, productivity and even more importantly, the precious time of people are lost while going from place to place, leave aside in congestions. The people are having to do this because it is just how things are, not because it is the best thing that mankind should have been doing.<p>The systems logic that they have in this project makes sense: A more efficient structure would definitely make running a large urban region much more effective. And Saudi Arabia has a lot of flat, uninterrupted, unused space that is largely outside the earthquake, storm and other disaster zones, so a big linear structure can be easily workable there.<p>The line structure seems to be well calculated - its long, but its very thin. Meaning that they plan to run everything one single, uninterrupted, well, line of infra. Which totally makes sense from an engineering standpoint. If it was a vanity project or wasteful indulgence as some claim, the systems side of this would not be made as simple as this and it would be something more grand. Moreover, the linear building concept that apparently does not seem to inspire anyone judging from the comments, is another evidence that it was chosen for its systems efficiency, and not awe factor or tourism value.<p>Again, its an interesting project. Even if they can pull off a fraction of it and succeed in developing a large, uninterrupted urbanization that is efficient, it can make a great breakthrough in terms of urban technology.
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lolcover 2 years ago
Wow, the last time I read about it, I thought it was just a wild idea. Now they&#x27;re moving dirt.
LatteLazyover 2 years ago
Please look over there while I run a crazy theocracy and steal &quot;my&quot; people&#x27;s oil wealth to squander on booze and fast cars while they live like it&#x27;s the 1400s.
stavrosover 2 years ago
How hard is it to obtain aerial photos of something? Surely, a $300 drone plane can take photos of things tens of km away undetected?
largepeepeeover 2 years ago
Well the pictures prove the whole &quot;line&quot; bullshit is nothing more than marketing if there is that much boring infrastructure already around it from the start.<p>Aren&#x27;t we just falling for their plans for giving it that much media attention?
albertopvover 2 years ago
Insane Saudi Arabia is still considered a developing country.
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euroderfover 2 years ago
Someone stealing the wheels off Snowpiercer.
kilroy123over 2 years ago
This whole idea is so incredibly dumb.<p>This is the problem with unfathomably rich authoritarian rulers with unchecked power. They don&#x27;t have people pushing back on their grandiose and insane ideas.<p>A great example of this is Turkmenistan&#x27;s capital, Ashgabat.
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